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Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

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Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#11

That's a shame. Now I have to either wait for someone to make an extension to disable hyperpings (so it can sync between all my Firefoxes rather than me having to manually change it every time) or learn to make one myself.

uBlock Origin already blocks this feature. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Dashboard:-Settings#d...

That was a short wait.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBlock Origin already blocks this feature. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Dashboard:-Settings#d...

That was a short wait.

I could implement it in firefox just as fast... they are obviously stalling.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#13
The ping attribute replaces redirects and JavaScript that already allow (and are very widely used for) less performant ways of doing exactly the same tracking.

An explicit ping attribute makes it easier for content blockers; with a redirect there's nothing you can do but with a declarative attribute it's clear what to block.

This seems very clearly better to me.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

uBlock Origin already blocks this feature. https://github.com/gorhill/uBlock/wiki/Dashboard:-Settings#d...

That was a short wait.

This isn't a new feature; it was added in Chrome 15 and Safari 6. https://caniuse.com/#feat=ping

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#16
Okay, this can now only be interpretted as malicious, corrupt collusion, under the guise of "industry standardization" which is assuredly hostile to not just The Abstract User but the entire global general public at large, indeed humanity itself, all in the name of "advertising" (if you honestly still wish to buy that name for what we call this).

It is not "advertising" anymore. That's not what this sort of thing is about anymore. It isn't just monetization and profitability. Not when competing options all do the same thing, at the same time, contrary to the interests of an ordinary individual.

All the major browsers align on this aspect, and it is assuredly a massive program to collect invasive data on everyone, everywhere. Don't mistake it for anything else.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#17
post #13

The ping attribute replaces redirects and JavaScript that already allow (and are very widely used for) less performant ways of doing exactly the same tracking. An explicit ping attribute makes it easier for content blockers; with a redirect there's nothing you can do but with a declarative attribute it's clear what to block. This seems very clearly better to me.

Does anyone want the ping attribute?

It seems like JS-based trackers using sendBeacon are the better option for analytics.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#18
As explained in the article, the same data is already being collected without the use of 'ping', so refusing to support ping is nothing but privacy theater (a la "security theater") --- at the cost of user experience. I'm disappointed to see Brave playing that game.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#19
This feature allows a trivial DDOS attack to be constructed

https://securityaffairs.co/wordpress/83890/hacking/ddos-html...

https://www.nsaneforums.com/topic/341522-hyperlink-auditing-...

you can always downgrade your FF version and turn off auto updates, or go to a custom palemoon, then have a chat with mozilla about why you did so.

Re: Mozilla Firefox to Enable Hyperlink Ping Tracking by Default

#20
> "We don’t believe that offering an option to disable this feature alone will have any meaningful improvement in the user privacy, since website can (and often already do) detect the various supported mechanisms for hyperlink auditing in each browser and disabling the more user friendly mechanisms will cause them to fall back to the less user friendly ones, without actually disabling the hyperlink auditing functionality itself."

Sites that wanted to track have always been tracking clicks on links on their pages using JavaScript or redirection pages that first record the click and then send the browser to the destination that the user wanted to go to. Ping is just a better way for sites to implement tracking, and if more sites move to this, the easier it’ll be to block (like uBlock Origin has already done). In conjunction with other Firefox extensions that thwart “traditional” click tracking, we can cover everything.

I find Mozilla’s (and Apple’s) position on enabling this by default tenable, because we certainly don’t want sites to block Firefox for this reason or tell users to use another browser (with euphemisms like) “for a better experience”. On this point, I think Brave has cornered itself as a niche browser that sites may start revolting against when it grows.

What is not acceptable from any browser vendor, especially a vendor like Mozilla or Apple that wears privacy on its sleeves, is not having a way to disable this using preferences (visible or something like about:config or defaults). Not everyone may want to trust and install several extensions for things like this. On this, Mozilla has failed (and so has Apple, though I didn’t check that in this context).

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