“Android is reaching EOL in the next 4-5 years”

Post by _bxg1 » Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:30 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27

brianpgordon wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Fuchsia is permissively licensed. I swear, copyleft people have the weirdest definition of freedom. How does using a license that lets you do anything with the code, including using it to compete commercially with Google, automatically indicate some nefarious plan to lock down the new platform? If they wanted to do that, why would they release Fuchsia under a permissive license in the first place?

The main difference is that copyleft currently requires some components of all new phones to be released as open source. With a permissive license, many Android vendors will not release anything open source. So you might have a much harder time figuring out how to flash the OS on them or get the drivers to work with them. Obviously some manufacturers will probably still do so, but they won't be required to as they ar…

Post by Jorge1o1 » Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:32 PM UTC

brianpgordon wrote: post #19

stupidthrottle wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is eradicating all GPL from their mobile offering. Fuschia will let them release a fully closed down platform.

Fuchsia is permissively licensed. I swear, copyleft people have the weirdest definition of freedom. How does using a license that lets you do anything with the code, including using it to compete commercially with Google, automatically indicate some nefarious plan to lock down the new platform? If they wanted to do that, why would they release Fuchsia under a permissive license in the first place?

Post by agumonkey » Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

kuzimoto wrote: post #47

agumonkey wrote: post #25

got an OS for you: have no phone

Is that really the best solution? I realize that might be sarcasm, but it seems phones are fairly critical for many people. Obviously it's not a necessity, like food/water/shelter, but even some homeless people with nothing else have cellphones.

Post by m0zg » Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:33 PM UTC

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #34

m0zg wrote: post #16

This is lunacy. Nothing is going to replace Android but the next version of Android, for the same reason why Microsoft will forever continue developing Windows: there are (hunrders of?) billions of lines of code written for it, and: 1. Users just want to run their software, 2. Developers just want to sell their software, and nobody is going to give a shit about principled OS design or whatever. If Google doesn't unde…

Google has already made Android apps run on Chrome OS, and I think are at least planning to do with Fuchsia. Which is to say, Google could kill the Android OS as long as they preserve the Android app platform. See also: Windows has actually replaced their Win32 app model with UWP which is nearly a whole different app platform, but they still support Win32 apps and have made it increasingly easier to deploy Win32 apps…

Post by viraptor » Fri, Apr 19, 2019, 9:37 PM UTC

_bxg1 wrote: post #51

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The main difference is that copyleft currently requires some components of all new phones to be released as open source. With a permissive license, many Android vendors will not release anything open source. So you might have a much harder time figuring out how to flash the OS on them or get the drivers to work with them. Obviously some manufacturers will probably still do so, but they won't be required to as they ar…

Yeah- this is the only reason there's any openness at all in the mobile space right now. Android forks couldn't exist at all - much less postmarketOS - if the underlying hardware and drivers weren't open and available.