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“Be yourself” is terrible advice

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Be yourself is a non-statement. I don't know what it means. Does it mean follow my primal urges? Follow my idealistic goals? It doesn't say anything.

I think it's supposed to be something like "don't only try to emulate others".

I think it means to act around people that you aren't familiar with, the same way you would act around those your are very close to (such as immediate family, life-long childhood friends, etc). That is, don't be an "actor playing a part" when interacting with others.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even your "charitable" interpretation is obviously not charitable. "Yeah, you're not skilled at this" is not what people mean when they say "be yourself", unless by "this" you mean "emulate other people". Instead, what they mean is "You are naturally skilled enough at this thing, so stop doubting yourself and just stick with your natural skill/gut"

If it's not charitable, then at least it's usually correct. People giving the advice are generally unaware of what it's like to be naturally skilled at social interaction, and think it's just a matter or relaxing and enjoying yourself. If they think "you're naturally skilled at this", they're usually mistaken. My charitable version is what people would say if they could be honest and were aware of the relevant facts…

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Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

#44

Be yourself is a non-statement. I don't know what it means. Does it mean follow my primal urges? Follow my idealistic goals? It doesn't say anything.

It means, "don't be afraid", because being afraid largely covers up who we really are by changing how we act.

Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

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"Be yourself" as advice is bad advice if you take it uncharitably. It's good advice for individuals that repress their identities and discard their own happiness - e.g. gay men and women that force themselves to act straight (though not without caveat as death/execution/persecution is very real). If you reinterpret it as "be authentic" or "become yourself", it again takes a better meaning for those without fundamenta…

One thing I've found again and again is that a lot of advice is good for some people (even most people) but terrible for others. It all depends where you're starting.

What is an example of a person for whom this is terrible advice?

I can only jokingly think of people who are naturally hostile or low on EQ. "They can't handle all this!" kind of people.

Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

#47

Be yourself is a non-statement. I don't know what it means. Does it mean follow my primal urges? Follow my idealistic goals? It doesn't say anything.

I think it's supposed to be something like "don't only try to emulate others".

That's exactly what it's supposed to mean, I think.

It's especially useful in the short term context (let's say you have an interview tomorrow): you don't have enough time to pivot your personality, if you try, the judging person will read your inauthenticity as something fishy and you will increase your odds of missing out on your objective.

But in so many contexts -especially in dating- it gets misinterpreted as long term advice "you are entitled for others to accept you as you are and/or eventually someone will accept you as you are, and your objective X will be met"

Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

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post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Even your "charitable" interpretation is obviously not charitable. "Yeah, you're not skilled at this" is not what people mean when they say "be yourself", unless by "this" you mean "emulate other people". Instead, what they mean is "You are naturally skilled enough at this thing, so stop doubting yourself and just stick with your natural skill/gut"

If it's not charitable, then at least it's usually correct. People giving the advice are generally unaware of what it's like to be naturally skilled at social interaction, and think it's just a matter or relaxing and enjoying yourself. If they think "you're naturally skilled at this", they're usually mistaken. My charitable version is what people would say if they could be honest and were aware of the relevant facts…

> If they think "you're naturally skilled at this", they're usually mistaken.

We have completely different anecdata. I've said and heard people say "be yourself" many times. Rarely have I seen it go awry. Typically the people who say "be yourself" are naturally skilled at social interaction, so they can read whether the person is also able to socialize and make the right decision. But I can see how someone who lacks social skills might repeat the saying without even noticing the level of social skills of the person they're saying it to. Much like what this commenter was talking about: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19702757

Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

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"Be yourself" as advice is bad advice if you take it uncharitably. It's good advice for individuals that repress their identities and discard their own happiness - e.g. gay men and women that force themselves to act straight (though not without caveat as death/execution/persecution is very real). If you reinterpret it as "be authentic" or "become yourself", it again takes a better meaning for those without fundamenta…

The variation I like is, "Become who you are."

Re: “Be yourself” is terrible advice

#50
Whether or not "being yourself" is interesting advice depends on the listener. Some people are in a context where deciding when to "stop" in a few key moments per day is more interesting than deciding when to similarly "go". The person in the article calls themselves a loudmouth, so clearly this person is focusing on a scenario where restraint is a persuasive value, versus a scenario of social anxiety.
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