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Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#41
> As more and more services and tools are rolled into cloud provider's portfolios, I can't help but think that there's no point for me to exist

Are you thinking that everybody is migrating to cloud? For a business there is a lot of value in having their own local servers and infrastructure, even if small. Especially if they own data.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#42
What do you mean? Doesn't matter if it's on premise or in the cloud(someone elses computer) - someone still has to manage it from the company's point. If you leave it to the devs it'll be a disaster.

With that said, this industry is moving fast and if you wanna keep up you need to learn bash/python or powershell on windows, eventually... this is true. Or you can move to smaller companies with fewer assets to manage.

If you say you can throw a bash script together than that's a good start. When doing that, try to understand what the author has done - check how the script was made, look up each function and try to remember what they do.

Once you remember functions you can always use that knowledge and look up syntax and arguments in the docs and start writing your own code. Bash is not a good place to start though, because it has a lot of weird syntax but python is rather clean.

Also take your time, don't think it's something you can learn within a week or month, give it 6months - year, don't push it. If you can't figure it out today, it's ok, try another day.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

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post #38

The majority of the comments fail to miss one important thing: the cloud is not an abstract magical thingy which provides whatever you need whenever you need . It merely abstracts away the underlying infrastructure - on hardware, network, sometimes even the OS level. It runs on the same(ish) hardware you can find in your own server rack. It runs the same Linux (or some customly patched Linux derivative), it is connec…

Alternate approach that works is to start simple and low level. Twiddle bits, read hardware manuals. Code your own window blinds controller. Play a chiptune directly from hardware.

Skip all the abstractions and push the numbers and currents.

Then when you get it, it is easier to go up in stack.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#45

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I have been wanting to try out things like AWS and containers and such, but I haven't had the chance yet. I think part of it is that I haven't had the chance in a work setting to check those things out. We have thousands of physical machines and on-prem VMs. Sometimes I feel like we're kind of "old-world".

Physical infrastructure isn't going away anytime soon. I work in migrating people to public cloud and we are seeing a resurgence of people moving to "private clouds". Mostly vMware and OpenStack. Most people have begun realizing their CTOs cargo-culted AWS for their resumes and its costing more than owning DC or colocating does.

Of course AWS costs more if you’re just moving a bunch of VMs to it and not changing your processes, automating, using managed services, and honestly down sizing your IT department.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#46
I wish we had a competent dedicated sys admin at work. I say competent because we've had tech support guys try to fill the sys admin role and the knowledge gaps...

Anyway I'm supposed to be a software developer and I end up spending a good chunk of time on sys admin stuff.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#47

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I was wondering about that. Every time I looked at AWS pricing, it seemed insanely expensive for the people that just forklifted their on-prem services into the cloud without re-architecting it to fit that type of environment.

Most cloud solutions costs 2-3 times more than the on-prem equivalents. The selling point that's usually trotted out is "but it just works and you can fire your IT staff". ...Most people who move to the cloud end up still needing IT staff to manage it, and are now, by proxy, paying for the cloud provider's IT staff too. (Hidden underneath all of those cloud providers are a silent army of IT people.) A recent conversa…

The thing is that yes you do need IT people and there is an army of IT people hired by the cloud providers. But, you don’t have to pay the full cost to hire them. Between Managed Service Providers that allow you to outsource your support and the (excellent) business support plan of AWS you can get away with a lot fewer employees in the IT department and their job just becomes managing communications between the business and managing the relationship with the MSP and the cloud provider.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most cloud solutions costs 2-3 times more than the on-prem equivalents. The selling point that's usually trotted out is "but it just works and you can fire your IT staff". ...Most people who move to the cloud end up still needing IT staff to manage it, and are now, by proxy, paying for the cloud provider's IT staff too. (Hidden underneath all of those cloud providers are a silent army of IT people.) A recent conversa…

The thing is that yes you do need IT people and there is an army of IT people hired by the cloud providers. But, you don’t have to pay the full cost to hire them. Between Managed Service Providers that allow you to outsource your support and the (excellent) business support plan of AWS you can get away with a lot fewer employees in the IT department and their job just becomes managing communications between the busin…

From the perspective of an IT employee, the market has not shrunk. Because companies need IT staff, MSPs need IT staff, and cloud providers need IT staff. And while they've shifted a lot, I would argue that it's largely been a zero sum change.

I can definitely say last time I was in the job market, the majority of available IT jobs in my area was with MSPs, but there were tons of jobs available.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most cloud solutions costs 2-3 times more than the on-prem equivalents. The selling point that's usually trotted out is "but it just works and you can fire your IT staff". ...Most people who move to the cloud end up still needing IT staff to manage it, and are now, by proxy, paying for the cloud provider's IT staff too. (Hidden underneath all of those cloud providers are a silent army of IT people.) A recent conversa…

What about reserved pricing? I use Azure and that’s significantly cheaper and more compariable to buying your own servers.

Is it though? A dual-core Windows VM with 8 GB of RAM is... 0.037 cents an hour. That works out to 88 cents a day, or $324 per year per VM.

If I have about 20 VMs running on a $10,000 server with a $6,000 Windows Server Datacenter license that has a five year warranty, let's math that out: The VMs cost $32,400. And I can spin up more VMs on that server at zero cost, it's not at capacity.

Obviously there's plenty of other little dollars and cents you can factor into an equation like this, but I'd argue Azure Reserved Pricing still has it's profit margin well defined.

Re: Ask HN: Why do I exist as a sysadmin?

#50
post #37

You seem quite articulate. Have you thought of blogging or writing? There may be other avenues for your creativity other than coding. I have been a sysadmin for 20 years and imagine I will be for another 20.

Thanks. I have thought about something like that, but I wouldn’t know what to write or blog.
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