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Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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it won't stop people getting multiple sim cards and registering those under different names

To get a sim card (even prepaid) in Austria you need to provide a valid ID/passport. If it's not an Austrian/German/Swiss ID you will need to go in person to activate your sim card. This would make it really difficult for someone to manage a few accounts.

You can buy sim cards on amazon from other EU countries.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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In practice (particularly in europe and particularly the current regulatory MO) regulating the internet will often be deeply linked to de-anonymizing it. It isn't necessarily that way, but it is where the ball rolls by default, atm.

A lot of the financial regulations of the past decade have been heavily identity oriented. Companies/banks need to ID customersID the origin/destination of funds, etc.

Gambling has recently become more regulated in a lot of european countries. Similar story. ID customers (mostly for age, but also aml). ID where the money is coming from. Take all reasonable steps to find out if a customer is has more money than they should have, is a thief, gambling addict, etc.. In practice, this they request customers' passports, bank statements, payment slips... while at the same time pay for services that estimate customers income, review social media profiles, and such.

Even GDPR, which I think did some to improve data security and a lot to reduce data selling, requires (in practice) most websites to keep of track of users' consent, which means keeping track of user identity, to some extent.

I have a bad feeling about the current political drive to "regulate" more. There are certainly problems that need solutions, which are likely regulation. But, the details matter a lot. We don't want the default regulations.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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it won't stop people getting multiple sim cards and registering those under different names

To get a sim card (even prepaid) in Austria you need to provide a valid ID/passport. If it's not an Austrian/German/Swiss ID you will need to go in person to activate your sim card. This would make it really difficult for someone to manage a few accounts.

I don’t recall doing that with a Hofer SIM card. However major other networks go a longer way recording who you are.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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Could anyone shed some light on which problem this is supposed to solve exactly and what triggered it in the first place in Austria right now? Have there been any issues caused by anonymous posts recently? Maybe I'm just living under a rock, but my feeling was that the main issues we're currently facing stem from political distortion caused by populism misusing platform mechanisms to spread misinformation. I don't se…

> Could anyone shed some light on which problem this is supposed to solve exactly and what triggered it in the first place in Austria right now?

Existing hate-speech legislation allows persecution of users already, but in some cases the offenders hide too well or Facebook does not cooperate with authorities. Online newspaper forums are also now full of professionally organized dirt campaigns, sometimes tolerated by left-leaning media. The government wants to be able to persecute those who break the law and thinks it's the responsibility of media to at least make their users identifiable for authorities.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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it won't stop people getting multiple sim cards and registering those under different names

Since late year, SIM cards require registration with your real name (in Austria). Of course you could still get your hands on one registered to another name, but it's no longer trivial to get an anonymous card here.

You can just get them from other countries like Sweden who allow anonymous SIM cards.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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Describing the current government in Austria as center-right is a bit ridiculous (to say nothing of putting words like centrist or left anywhere near descriptions of that government). Austrian politics have been moving further and further to the right and the FPÖ (junior coalition partner) is a xenophobic far-right party with authoritarian streaks. I’m really not comfortable in describing a government where such a pa…

Censoring the internet is a popular topic among all center parties in Europe. For example "Hate-speech" censorship, where the end justifies the means, is popular among many left leaning parties. Isn't the proposal from an ÖVP minister? Does the ÖVP not qualify as center-right?

OeVP in the current incarnation is not in the center any more. Definitely right wing.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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In case anyone wants to know how this should work, this is the explanation by the minister: There are "technical possibilities where software can run on the backend that can immediately identify: Does the registered mobile phone number match the name and address or not?" - derstandard.at/2000101678440/Minister-Bluemels-Ominous-De-Anonymization-Software (from https://derstandard.at/2000101678440/Minister-Bluemels-Omin…

it won't stop people getting multiple sim cards and registering those under different names

It's not yet clear (at least to the public) how the registration will actually work on a technical level. I think the idea is that there will be third party services who are responsible for validating the identity of a user (similar to what banks use for KYC purposes). Users could identify themselves via different means, e.g. by providing their phone number or by simply uploading an ID. But that's all speculation on my side.

Re: Austrian government seeks to eliminate internet anonymity, with severe penalties

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post #53

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To get a sim card (even prepaid) in Austria you need to provide a valid ID/passport. If it's not an Austrian/German/Swiss ID you will need to go in person to activate your sim card. This would make it really difficult for someone to manage a few accounts.

I don’t recall doing that with a Hofer SIM card. However major other networks go a longer way recording who you are.

Then you probably bought your SIM before 2019-01-01. Old SIM cards will have to be registered until September or they must be deactivated.
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