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Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by conanbatt »

chrisdhoover wrote: post #89
conanbatt wrote: post #64

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Even private toilets are disgusting when they service that population. I'd like to see you push a mentally ill person from pooping into the street into the heroine-needle ridden prostitution hub of a public toilet. Hell, I see the prostitution happen in front of city hall, where there is a childrens playground in open daylight!

The slave hysteria and general illiberal views by the government shut down the web sites that allowed professionals control over their business. Pros became independent and prostitution was moved inside. Now a girl has to hustle on the street where it is dangerous.

That's not the hussling you can see in front of the beloved public library. Looks like homeless people trading for crack.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by conanbatt »

threatofrain wrote: post #107
chrisdhoover wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slave hysteria and general illiberal views by the government shut down the web sites that allowed professionals control over their business. Pros became independent and prostitution was moved inside. Now a girl has to hustle on the street where it is dangerous.

Do people seriously hustle like that on the streets of SF? Like there's a special street corner people know about, and you just pull up in your car and demonstrate your financial credibility? I would think there's much more stuff happening on dating apps.

>there's much more stuff happening on dating apps.

Peak SF.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by SllX »

jquery wrote: post #48
SllX wrote: post #7

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You know something, we already have police patrolling the streets, and even if it were only open 16 hours a day, that’s still 16 hours of availability. So really, we just don’t have enough, and I don’t think anyone really cares if people are actually shooting up drugs in a bathroom. That’s better than doing it in playgrounds or on park trails and leaving the needles strewn around. It isn’t that we can’t. It completel…

I have a little girl. I care very much if someone is shooting up drugs in a public bathroom. How can she use such a bathroom safely? Maybe once she's a teenager but long before then she won't be letting me accompany her inside a bathroom. I don't want homeless people shooting up drugs in the park or in public bathrooms, unless "public bathroom" is merely to become a euphemism for something else, which seems to be a d…

Mate, I grew up in this city. No less than three times in my time where my age might be counted in single digits did I find needles buried in the sand in the park or along the trails. Each and every time, my mother was pissed. I’m not a parent yet, but I was in the position of being the kid, finding the needles strewn about in our parks. The examples I gave were from my own memories, not some abstract ideas of things that might happen. One notable change: most of the playgrounds don’t have sand anymore. I don’t know if that’s a net improvement, but if someone leaves a needle around, it is much more likely to be in plain sight of the adults around. That is not the case for park trails if you like to go off the beaten path with your kids.

So we have a problem, where we have a large homeless population, many of them addicted to drugs, and literally shitting in the streets. If you don’t have strong nerves, you might find yourself facing a difficult choice between knowing your kid is going to come up against this environment, and possibly encounter needles, or just leaving the city entirely. I’m not telling you or anyone to leave, but it might not be for you. I made it to adulthood without any blood born illnesses from getting stuck with a needle. Nobody killed me in a public restroom, you have a data point of one.

So hey, this is a pretty innovative community, if the bathrooms we have right now are inadequate in every measurable manner, and we’re worried about them becoming hard living shelters, then what combination of police powers, patrols, tech and community reporting forums do we need to prevent that? Is the problem unsolvable or have we just made peace with shit in the streets and don’t want to rock the boat?

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by dfischer »

kaycebasques wrote: post #103
dfischer wrote: post #87

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A chance to "own" something is a very deep iceberg. Ownership needs to consider a lot of things from an economic perspective, a rights perspective (law), society, and so on. Basically, I guess I'm just saying – it's really complicated and just concluding giving away resources is missing the forest for the trees.

I probably didn’t provide enough nuance in my original comment. I think we’re in agreement that ownership can be a productive feeling. I agree that giving stuff away isn’t guaranteed to lead to a sense of ownership. The main idea I’m submitting here is that, if we can somehow give more people the opportunity to experience ownership, society will function better. Stuff like what we’re seeing in SF is less likely to ha…

I don’t think there’s a shortcut to a true sense of ownership. So I’d lean less on the welfare topology. I would lean heavily in making it more accessible to provide value to society. Setup technology that allows people to provide value to community and society as best as possible.

That’s my high level thought which of course requires a lot of boiling down.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by [deleted] »

the_economist wrote: post #84

The city of San Francisco provides homeless people with $520/month in cash, via an ATM card that refills on the 1st of the month. They give away $24 million a year in cash. It's a genuinely good idea to provide assistance to the homeless, but it should be in the form of Care Not Cash and given away equally across the state. Otherwise, you are funding a drug demand epidemic and likely creating incentives for people wi…

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Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by mikeyouse »

chrisdhoover wrote: post #99
mikeyouse wrote: post #72

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That's a stupid stat that's obviously wrong and offensive to everyone who works on these issues in SF, I can't imagine why people keep parroting it. If you spend $100k and lift 9/10 people out of homelessness, that terrible math shows you spent $100k per homeless person.

The amount if money spent is excessive because it is not working. If we spent 10% more would it help? If we spent 10% less would it hurt?

Which has literally nothing to do with the "dollars per homeless person spent"

Think about it, if there was a threshold and somehow spending $1 more per year reduced the number of homeless by 50%, that metric would get worse.

It's fine to make the argument that the outcomes are bad but it's lazy and ignorant to divide two unrelated numbers and declare yourself outraged.

Spend some time working with the thousands of underpaid and overworked social/case workers and volunteers in SF if only to get a sense of the scale of the problem.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by mm_aa »

Scoundreller wrote: post #105
the_economist wrote: post #84

The city of San Francisco provides homeless people with $520/month in cash, via an ATM card that refills on the 1st of the month. They give away $24 million a year in cash. It's a genuinely good idea to provide assistance to the homeless, but it should be in the form of Care Not Cash and given away equally across the state. Otherwise, you are funding a drug demand epidemic and likely creating incentives for people wi…

I wonder what drug prices are like on the first and second. And robberies of homeless people. And robberies of everyone else towards the end of the month. Would at least make better sense to direct-pay rent for housing to the landlord and then stagger the remaining cash for everything else on a weekly basis on a different day of the week.

Police officer told me it’s $12-$20/dose of meth. Didn’t verify.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by remarkEon »

mm_aa wrote: post #117
Scoundreller wrote: post #105

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder what drug prices are like on the first and second. And robberies of homeless people. And robberies of everyone else towards the end of the month. Would at least make better sense to direct-pay rent for housing to the landlord and then stagger the remaining cash for everything else on a weekly basis on a different day of the week.

Police officer told me it’s $12-$20/dose of meth. Didn’t verify.

My friend is a cop in an area that deals with a lot of meth and opioid issues. I asked him this and his answer was that it's usually in easy multiples. $15, $20, $25 etc. I suppose this makes sense, given it's an all cash business.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by ksaj »

ineedasername wrote: post #34
burtonator wrote: post #8

I have a modest proposal to end this problem. There are too many homeless in San Francisco. Additionally, California has too few wolves. I propose that we release wolves into the streets of San Francisco once per month. Only the strong will be able to evade the wolves and the weak and sick will be eaten. This will lower the homeless population will simultaneously helping the wolf population rebound to record numbers.

And if you like that idea, there's babies too; they can be a most delicious nourishing and wholesome food, whether stewed, roasted, baked, or boiled

Wow, suddenly HN is grade 6 all over again.

Re: People are pooping more than ever on the streets of San Francisco

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Post by maccam94 »

threatofrain wrote: post #107
chrisdhoover wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The slave hysteria and general illiberal views by the government shut down the web sites that allowed professionals control over their business. Pros became independent and prostitution was moved inside. Now a girl has to hustle on the street where it is dangerous.

Do people seriously hustle like that on the streets of SF? Like there's a special street corner people know about, and you just pull up in your car and demonstrate your financial credibility? I would think there's much more stuff happening on dating apps.

There's a corner two blocks from my apartment in SF where I regularly see women hustling. I've even been approached on the sidewalk in Union Square, which is an area heavily trafficked by tourists.
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