A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus • Hacker News Board

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by mimac » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 2:59 PM UTC

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #95

mimac wrote: post #82

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I cured mine with 10vol.% lavender oil + 10vol.% thyme oil in carrier oil (grapeseed oil). I couldn't be bothered by going to a doctor and it worked fine. Essential oils are non-selectively toxic so do be careful.

>I couldn't be bothered by going to a doctor Do you live in the USA? I can't believe "going to the doctor" can still be a problem, unless you're in war zone or one of the worlds' poorest countries but that doesn't apply to the US, does it?

No, I live in the EU with full insurance, but going to a doctor would mean going there during working hours, waiting a few hours, getting a script and going to the pharmacy. Essential oils OTOH could be delivered by mail and even though I had to pay for them convenience won out. But considering the emergence of antifungal resistance it might have been a good choice in the end ;)

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by Mary12 » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 3:01 PM UTC

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Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by forgotmypwd123 » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 3:21 PM UTC

Mary12 wrote: post #102

Natural herbs have cured so many illness that drugs and injection cant cure. I've seen the great importance of natural herbs and the wonderful work they have done in people's lives. i read people's testimonies online on how they were cured of herpes, hiv, diabetics etc by Dr. Ogba Kosu herbal medicine, so i decided to contact the doctor because i know nature has the power to heal anything. I was diagnosed with hiv fo…

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Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by threatofrain » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 6:19 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #92

kuzehanka wrote: post #88

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I don't think you have any grasp of the efficiency gains brought by modern agriculture and its scale. I actually grew up on an old school farm and it took the land area equivalent of an apartment complex to feed our one family all year round. Tending to it was almost a full time job for 6 of the 12 months of each year. This is how people have been living for hundreds of years, the math is pretty well understood. If y…

What part of "Grow some of your own food" are you interpreting to mean "grow all of your own food"? I'm well aware that the efficiencies of modern agriculture has allowed us to have more than half the global population living in cities for the first time in human history. This not only become true within my own lifetime, it became true within the lifetimes of my children. None of which is really pertinent to the idea…

If you thought there were enough people who thought similarly, wouldn't the right move be to sponsor a farm together? Don't people already do things like that? IMO a community funded farm with a highly accessible interface and transparent operations would be amenable to a lot of health-concerned people.

It makes a lot sense to me that like-minded individuals who don't like how how their food is handled should prefer a scalable method that doesn't break your back and takes advantage of modern efficiencies, and a way to handle excess supply so you're not wasteful. I can't see a vehicle going from house to house collecting tiny and disorganized surplus.

Plus, I'd rather see what a community plot could do rather than vs small home plots good for only growing mint tea, if even that.

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by DoreenMichele » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 6:31 PM UTC

threatofrain wrote: post #104

DoreenMichele wrote: post #92

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What part of "Grow some of your own food" are you interpreting to mean "grow all of your own food"? I'm well aware that the efficiencies of modern agriculture has allowed us to have more than half the global population living in cities for the first time in human history. This not only become true within my own lifetime, it became true within the lifetimes of my children. None of which is really pertinent to the idea…

If you thought there were enough people who thought similarly, wouldn't the right move be to sponsor a farm together? Don't people already do things like that? IMO a community funded farm with a highly accessible interface and transparent operations would be amenable to a lot of health-concerned people. It makes a lot sense to me that like-minded individuals who don't like how how their food is handled should prefer…

No. Monocultures are a large part of the problem.

If you want a human world that is resistant to drug resistant infections, you want a bunch of individual efforts to grow things in the kitchen window of their city apartment and in small container gardens on the balcony and in square foot gardens in the back yard. That's the correct antidote to the monoculture of indistrial agriculture.

Biological and genetic diversity is how you foster a world where one genetic variation of one infection cannot simply run like wildfire through the global population.

You want an intentionally inefficient system. The efficiencies of industrial agriculture are the problem. They are how we are creating these super bugs.

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by threatofrain » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 6:33 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #105

threatofrain wrote: post #104

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If you thought there were enough people who thought similarly, wouldn't the right move be to sponsor a farm together? Don't people already do things like that? IMO a community funded farm with a highly accessible interface and transparent operations would be amenable to a lot of health-concerned people. It makes a lot sense to me that like-minded individuals who don't like how how their food is handled should prefer…

No. Monocultures are a large part of the problem. If you want a human world that is resistant to drug resistant infections, you want a bunch of individual efforts to grow things in the kitchen window of their city apartment and in small container gardens on the balcony and in square foot gardens in the back yard. That's the correct antidote to the monoculture of indistrial agriculture. Biological and genetic diversit…

But there's nothing stopping your community-run farm from engaging in ecologically aware practices... the right move seems to be to take control of industry, not to decentralise it into home plots. I feel you're losing levers and knobs with which to operate your ecological concerns, and one ends up hoping the decentralised winds blows in their favor.

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by DoreenMichele » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 6:44 PM UTC

threatofrain wrote: post #106

DoreenMichele wrote: post #105

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No. Monocultures are a large part of the problem. If you want a human world that is resistant to drug resistant infections, you want a bunch of individual efforts to grow things in the kitchen window of their city apartment and in small container gardens on the balcony and in square foot gardens in the back yard. That's the correct antidote to the monoculture of indistrial agriculture. Biological and genetic diversit…

But there's nothing stopping your community-run farm from engaging in ecologically aware practices... the right move seems to be to take control of industry, not to decentralise it into home plots. I feel you're losing levers and knobs with which to operate your ecological concerns, and one ends up hoping the decentralised winds blows in their favor.

It doesn't have to be like solar power.

When they began creating tree farms, they came up with some German word that means "forest death" (or something like that) to describe the sickly trees you get from planting nothing but a single species of tree. It strips the land of the same nutrients over and over. You combat that with commercial fertilizer and commercial pesticides.

It is fundamentally not possible to simultaneously pursue both goals you espouse. You decry the variability in quality/quantity of hardest while claiming we can solve this on industrial farms. The consistency of yield that you seem to feel is the most important detail is the root cause of drug resistant infections developing.

If you want to stop crating ever more efficient super bugs that perform excellently well at eating people, then you need to intentionally inject more inefficiency and diversity into our food chain.

Re: A Chicago woman fell victim to Candida auris, a drug-resistant fungus

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Post by threatofrain » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 9:34 PM UTC

DoreenMichele wrote: post #107

threatofrain wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

But there's nothing stopping your community-run farm from engaging in ecologically aware practices... the right move seems to be to take control of industry, not to decentralise it into home plots. I feel you're losing levers and knobs with which to operate your ecological concerns, and one ends up hoping the decentralised winds blows in their favor.

It doesn't have to be like solar power. When they began creating tree farms, they came up with some German word that means "forest death" (or something like that) to describe the sickly trees you get from planting nothing but a single species of tree. It strips the land of the same nutrients over and over. You combat that with commercial fertilizer and commercial pesticides. It is fundamentally not possible to simult…

It still sounds like transparent governance of community-funded farms would enable you to address the biodiversity of your region. Having an efficient farm doesn't mean you have to crank the efficiency dial to the maximum. But inefficiencies are paid with the fact that fewer people can access the ecological lifestyle we're talking about, whereas a community farm will allow someone who doesn't have a garden to pursue an ecological lifestyle.

Furthermore, a community governing a farm can centrally plan out for ecological concerns, and they can actually measure and study their progress. A decentralised community is hoping the winds of fortune will coordinate them. A lot of this comes down to whether you trust the ability of a community to maintain control.

Also I know people who have a well-sized garden meant to actually make produce, but nobody would say it could remotely alleviate their food or lifestyle burdens. The time-sink is huge; they do it for the gratification of home gardening, not as a mitigation of food burden.