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IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
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Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
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Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#83I can’t read most of that article because it’s behind a paywall, but wow, is Watson just the largest attempt to sell vaporware of all time?? They had a super bowl ad! A few friends from university were hired into the Watson team as hardly technical PMs. I have never heard any of them describe what Watson is or does.
This is what IBM has always done. 20 years ago they pretended that their Deep Blue chess engine was in all their IT products. It's similar to how DeepMind AlphaGo is PR for Google's AI effort, but IBM takes it to comical extremes.
> 20 years ago they pretended that their Deep Blue chess engine was in all their IT products
[citation needed] IBM did not do this, though funding the Deep Thought team from CMU was cheaper than a Super Bowl commercial and brought more durable effect.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#84Slightly over a year back, we were contacted by IBM to try out Watson under some program for startups. Starting out, they asked us to give them a try. We gave them a NLP related task and they were confident they would be able to do a good job of it. After multiple meetings over the next 2 months, they barely produced any useful output. In the meantime, an intern with us got a pretty decent solution using just Python.…
Python is included in the most recent versions of Watson Studio ML. Were Jupyter notebooks included when you originally tried the tasks? I’m curious why the included python didn’t work and the standalone did.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#85Earlier quoted context omitted.
I worked there (Watson Health) a few years back. All that happened is IBM. That's right. They bought us (a small start-up) and this is what they did in a year to us: 1. replaced managers with their own who didn't get anything, kind of old date executives taken away from mainframe 2. banned remote work (this costed them a few brilliant engineers) 3. opened one huge open space full of noise and chatter, I mean sales te…
What did you end up doing in a period of non-work work like that? Read books?
Advise you to read the comment again :).
Spoiler: (s)he learned React.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#86Slightly over a year back, we were contacted by IBM to try out Watson under some program for startups. Starting out, they asked us to give them a try. We gave them a NLP related task and they were confident they would be able to do a good job of it. After multiple meetings over the next 2 months, they barely produced any useful output. In the meantime, an intern with us got a pretty decent solution using just Python.…
Python is included in the most recent versions of Watson Studio ML. Were Jupyter notebooks included when you originally tried the tasks? I’m curious why the included python didn’t work and the standalone did.
That's like saying book A is in Spanish and book B is also in Spanish, so why did you like book B better? Python is just a language, what you do with it is what matters. Sounds like they built something completely distinct from Watson and it did the job.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#87Watson is more a marketing term than a technical connection between products.
I invite you to test "Watson Tone Analyzer" https://tone-analyzer-demo.ng.bluemix.net/ :
- "I like this product." => "this is an analytical opinion with neutral emotion."
- "I like it" => "Tentative, 50% happy answer."
- "It's not a bad product." => "analytical".
- "It's not a bad tool" => "joyful answer".
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#88Earlier quoted context omitted.
Python is included in the most recent versions of Watson Studio ML. Were Jupyter notebooks included when you originally tried the tasks? I’m curious why the included python didn’t work and the standalone did.
That's like saying book A is in Spanish and book B is also in Spanish, so why did you like book B better? Python is just a language, what you do with it is what matters. Sounds like they built something completely distinct from Watson and it did the job.
And that’s fair. I’m always curious with how people are using the same or similar tools that my company uses. It’s good to hear common struggles or differences in workflows.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#89Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's like saying book A is in Spanish and book B is also in Spanish, so why did you like book B better? Python is just a language, what you do with it is what matters. Sounds like they built something completely distinct from Watson and it did the job.
And that’s fair. I’m always curious with how people are using the same or similar tools that my company uses. It’s good to hear common struggles or differences in workflows.
I suspect it's not that the included Watson Python didn't or wouldn't work but rather that the Watson-Python costs money (via paying for Watson) and Python-Python does not.
Re: IBM halting sales of Watson AI tool for drug discovery
#90Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's like saying book A is in Spanish and book B is also in Spanish, so why did you like book B better? Python is just a language, what you do with it is what matters. Sounds like they built something completely distinct from Watson and it did the job.
And that’s fair. I’m always curious with how people are using the same or similar tools that my company uses. It’s good to hear common struggles or differences in workflows.
Given your perspective, a more important question might be what underlying algorithms are being used? I’m only a rookie data scientist but knowing that (for example) a random forest outperformed a neural net in this case, or even just a set of heuristics, is solid information. These can be built in Python, R, even C depending on the application, developer experience and a bunch of other stuff.