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Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by freehunter »

misterprime wrote: post #68
the-pigeon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want your phone charge to last more than a day? Can't you just charge it while you sleep?

Sleeping in the middle of nowhere to enjoy some stargazing perhaps? Stuck in an airport overnight? Long term local power outage? There are nice things about long lasting batteries.

And for all of those things, external battery packs exist that you can carry with you.

To anyone who complains that they won't be happy until the perfect device exists that meets all their needs and nothing they don't and doesn't need adapters or dongles to do it: I still use serial cables at least once a month. Do you hear me complaining that I can't find a laptop that includes a serial port? No. Because I recognize that my need is niche and adapters exist to fulfill that need. It doesn't need to be baked into a mass-market device. I'm an adult and can solve my own problems with readily-available tools.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by benj111 »

oliwarner wrote: post #53

There are a few ways of looking at this. Most of the more engineery-types are pointing out the inevitability of failure, the challenges trying to find a good enough substrate to mount a touchscreen stack on, and trying to protect an exposed external hinge from impact, and all that material engineering science stuff that's really clever... But well besides the point. I can't even rationalise why anybody wants a foldin…

"There's nothing left to do. Phones are as dead as the PC."

My toilet has a cistern, u bend, and all the features of a toilet of 100 years ago. Never the less toilets are far from dead.

What you are describing is a mature product, not a dead product.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by freehunter »

euler_ wrote: post #62
onion2k wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most cases seem to be due to users mistakenly removing the permanent screen protection layer. Let's not push blame on to the user. If the screen protection is so vital that the screen will fail within a day without it, then the problem is that the screen protection is removable and to easy to remove.

The screen protector is an integral part of the screen. It's not that if fails later on without it, trying to remove it destroys the screen. It's like pulling the contacts out of a port and complaining that the phone won't charge.

The point still stands. If the screen protector is so vital, it shouldn't be removable, shouldn't look removable, shouldn't be an option to try to remove it, and instructions should be clear to not attempt to remove it.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by paulmd »

NLips wrote: post #29
reallymental wrote: post #17

Let's assume that they knew this was a half baked product. Not a "first edition" product like the first iPhone, but a rushed, half baked product, released without consideration of sales but just for being the first in the market for this niche. Given this assumption, why would you give it to reviewers at all ? Remember "Vertu" ? They were the Ferrari of phones during the Blackberry era and were _shit_. I got my hands…

Vertus were always intended as ostentatious, bling products, rather than fantastic phones. They were mid-range models covered in gold and diamonds etc. A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost).

> A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost).

Absolutely not. Ferraris are renowned for being shop queens/needing absurdly frequent servicing, which probably needs to be done at an official dealership. Also, often you need to remove the motor to do basic service (the car is designed for this).

eg see discussions in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledintotheshop/comments/ba3r...

Maybe a better example would have been Leica or something, which at least are very nicely engineered cameras and can run for more than a few months without a dealer service.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by adrianhel »

ethbro wrote: post #70
the-pigeon wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why do you want your phone charge to last more than a day? Can't you just charge it while you sleep?

As a Motorola lover, multi-day charge is awesome. Sometimes you forget to charge your phone. No problem! Battery's good until you get to a charger sometime the following day. Also, an oversized battery / efficient chip means I can power-use my phone for a full day without worrying about battery. And finally, because as your battery loses capacity over time, your phone drifts back to one-day charge, not sub-day charge…

My Huawei Mate 20 Lite lasts about 2-3 days. Pretty common for new phones I think.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by FussyZeus »

umvi wrote: post #65
Aaargh20318 wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Vertus were always intended as ostentatious, bling products, rather than fantastic phones. They were mid-range models covered in gold and diamonds etc. I never understood this. If you're going to make a ridiculously expensive phone by taking an existing model and covering it in gold and diamonds, then why not start out with a high-end model ? It's not going to have any significant impact on the price anyway.

Probably same reason Dell's high end XPS laptops use low end absolute crap stock parts on the inside (no name Wifi/SSD cards) - to maximize margins as much as possible?

^ Bingo. People who buy a Vertu aren't buying it to use it, they're buying it to say they have one.

Could have the guts of a Nokia tracfone, wouldn't matter. The guts aren't the important part.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by hanniabu »

onion2k wrote: post #13
hliyan wrote: post #2

Most cases seem to be due to users mistakenly removing the permanent screen protection layer. The company claims that the foldable screen has been tested for 200,000 folds -- i.e. about 5 years of rigorous use.

Most cases seem to be due to users mistakenly removing the permanent screen protection layer. Let's not push blame on to the user. If the screen protection is so vital that the screen will fail within a day without it, then the problem is that the screen protection is removable and to easy to remove.

My phone won't work after I took the battery out. I can't image how they are allowed to produce such garbage. /s

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by shusson »

kalado wrote: post #57
oliwarner wrote: post #53

There are a few ways of looking at this. Most of the more engineery-types are pointing out the inevitability of failure, the challenges trying to find a good enough substrate to mount a touchscreen stack on, and trying to protect an exposed external hinge from impact, and all that material engineering science stuff that's really clever... But well besides the point. I can't even rationalise why anybody wants a foldin…

I would like a folding screen for the same reason as everybody else. You can put it in your jeans pocket. Want to watch a move on the train? Pull out your fold and you have a pretty decent size tv. Same for everything else. Only if it doesn't break of course.

> I would like a folding screen

Just slap on a VR headset.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by FussyZeus »

paulmd wrote: post #74
NLips wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vertus were always intended as ostentatious, bling products, rather than fantastic phones. They were mid-range models covered in gold and diamonds etc. A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost).

> A Ferrari is meant to be ostentatious _and_ a great car (not withstanding pratcicality or cost). Absolutely not. Ferraris are renowned for being shop queens/needing absurdly frequent servicing, which probably needs to be done at an official dealership. Also, often you need to remove the motor to do basic service (the car is designed for this). eg see discussions in this thread: https://www.reddit.com/r/Justrolledin…

I mean if you own a Ferrari and it doesn't need frequent servicing, I'd question why the hell you bought the thing if you didn't intend to drive it as it's designed to be driven.

Re: Samsung's folding phone breaks for reviewers

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Post by adrianhel »

freehunter wrote: post #71
misterprime wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sleeping in the middle of nowhere to enjoy some stargazing perhaps? Stuck in an airport overnight? Long term local power outage? There are nice things about long lasting batteries.

And for all of those things, external battery packs exist that you can carry with you. To anyone who complains that they won't be happy until the perfect device exists that meets all their needs and nothing they don't and doesn't need adapters or dongles to do it: I still use serial cables at least once a month. Do you hear me complaining that I can't find a laptop that includes a serial port? No. Because I recognize…

I still use PDAs when I need a portable computer. Do you hear me complaining about that? No. Because I recognize that my need is niche and PDAs exist to fulfill my need. It doesn't need to be baked into a mass market device. I'm an adult that can bring both a phone and a PDA.
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