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Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by bigato »

Crinus wrote: post #86
Zardoz84 wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well I had working KDE 1 on a machine with 16MiB, and you can setup a working X11 + FVWM with 4MiB of RAM. Obviously using older versions of Linux kernel and userland. More ridiculous could be a full GUI OS on a machine witch less RAM, like an Amiga 1000/500 or a early Macs.

I'm talking about the current versions, not old stuff, i also had KDE 1 working on a 32MB machine. I do not expect current versions to be easy to run even in 32MB (although i've heard - but didn't verify - that Xorg can be configured and built from source to use as little as 600KB) but i'm curious where those hundreds of MBs go even for something like Xorg + Window Maker.

fvwm is current stuff, being the default window manager in OpenBSD.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by II2II »

Soft wrote: post #60
JasonFruit wrote: post #59

I was struck by something reading this article: almost none of the applications have names that express their function. If you haven't used it, what does Thunar do? Parole? GIMP? Gigolo, Garcon, or Ristretto? I don't see what's wrong with a name that has something to say about what your program does.

I think it is useful for projects to have a searchable unique names. Also, I think the desktop files for those programs also include a generic name describing program's function that an application launcher can decide to show instead. For example, my KDE application menu refers to applications using these generic description ("Web Browser" instead of Firefox, "Music Player" instead of Spotify).

Agreed on the ability to search for programs, add to that the difficulty in creating a meaningful name that won't confuse at least some users and doesn't step on trademarks or other project names. Even popular software titles have naming issues, with brand recognition being the main distinguishing factor that helps people figure out what the software does:

- Excel, says absolutely nothing about what the product does.

- PowerPoint is only tangentially related to what the product does.

- Internet Explorer vs. Windows Explorer confuses many users.

To avoid singling out just Microsoft, look at Apple:

- Numbers basically depends upon people associating spreadsheets with any form of quantitative analysis.

- Keynote is only tangentially related to what the product does.

- Safari says absolutely nothing about what the program does.

Contrast that to the brilliantly named GIMP: GNU Image Manipulation Program. It is clearly a program for enhancing photographs of gnu's! Okay, maybe it's not so brilliant. Yet it does demonstrate that naming is hard even when the name states what the program is.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by fjp »

AdmiralAsshat wrote: post #83
yagodragon wrote: post #48

What really sets me off with linux DE's is how poorly they handle dpi scaling on external monitors. I recently bought a 24" 2560 × 1440 monitor for my 15.6 laptop running Ubuntu Mate 18.04. This is what i went through just to make it work. 1. Plugged the hdmi, everything looks so small. 2. Mate desktop had HiDPI support but only by a scaling factor of 2. Now everything looks very large. 3. I have to manually change t…

To be fair, I have the same problem with Windows 10 and the Surface Pro, MS's flagship product. The SP4 has a 13" screen and a 3200x1800 resolution, which is quite dense. Windows 10 helpfully suggests turning on the scaling to 200-300% when on the native screen to help things scale up a bit. Plug it into an external monitor, however, and that scaling is no longer tenable. I then have to adjust it back down to 100%. H…

It's little UI things like this that keep me on Mac OSX. Everything just works, doesn't crash or freak out, and always looks great.

I still get my bash shell and unix experience and tooling easily as well so there is very little context switching when I jump into a linux container or remote host. There's tiny differences in some of the commands but largely a consistent experience.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by FrozenVoid »

> Xfce Quick Launcher Plugin has been removed from the Debian and Ubuntu archives due to it no longer being supported.

Its the fastest option to quickly load scripts, and its convinient to have it always on the taskbar for frequently launched stuff. Whats the rationale for removing it?

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by chmln »

yagodragon wrote: post #48

What really sets me off with linux DE's is how poorly they handle dpi scaling on external monitors. I recently bought a 24" 2560 × 1440 monitor for my 15.6 laptop running Ubuntu Mate 18.04. This is what i went through just to make it work. 1. Plugged the hdmi, everything looks so small. 2. Mate desktop had HiDPI support but only by a scaling factor of 2. Now everything looks very large. 3. I have to manually change t…

I would strongly advise not to rely on your DE and use xrandr instead, either via CLI or the graphical arandr tool. xrandr can scale to whatever you want.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by chmln »

Legogris wrote: post #87
yagodragon wrote: post #48

What really sets me off with linux DE's is how poorly they handle dpi scaling on external monitors. I recently bought a 24" 2560 × 1440 monitor for my 15.6 laptop running Ubuntu Mate 18.04. This is what i went through just to make it work. 1. Plugged the hdmi, everything looks so small. 2. Mate desktop had HiDPI support but only by a scaling factor of 2. Now everything looks very large. 3. I have to manually change t…

The thing I am yet to achieve is getting a configuration for my laptop that works fine both on the laptop screen and on one or several connected external displays. No problem with KDE Plasma, but when running a tiling WM without a DE...

You can and should have a separate, optimal configuration for each monitor. This is pretty easy with xrandr, and it's DE-agnostic

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by lostmsu »

tbrock wrote: post #69
yagodragon wrote: post #48

What really sets me off with linux DE's is how poorly they handle dpi scaling on external monitors. I recently bought a 24" 2560 × 1440 monitor for my 15.6 laptop running Ubuntu Mate 18.04. This is what i went through just to make it work. 1. Plugged the hdmi, everything looks so small. 2. Mate desktop had HiDPI support but only by a scaling factor of 2. Now everything looks very large. 3. I have to manually change t…

The way to get the best results with gnome is to not scale the screen: keep it 100% (unscaled) then use gnome tweak tool to increase the font size to your liking. Works great no matter what monitor I plug it into using an X1 Carbon with the hidpi screen.

That does not help my setup with 3 screens of different DPI, which works perfectly on Windows.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by ac29 »

FrozenVoid wrote: post #104

> Xfce Quick Launcher Plugin has been removed from the Debian and Ubuntu archives due to it no longer being supported. Its the fastest option to quickly load scripts, and its convinient to have it always on the taskbar for frequently launched stuff. Whats the rationale for removing it?

>removed [...] due to it no longer being supported

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by ac29 »

JasonFruit wrote: post #59

I was struck by something reading this article: almost none of the applications have names that express their function. If you haven't used it, what does Thunar do? Parole? GIMP? Gigolo, Garcon, or Ristretto? I don't see what's wrong with a name that has something to say about what your program does.

If you havent used it, what does Google do? Facebook? Uber?

Not trying to be snarky, but its good to have a unique, memorable name. Personally, GNOME just calling their text editor "Text Editor" is annoying, since I have more than one text editor installed.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by imglorp »

jraph wrote: post #65
imglorp wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for pointing out an interesting project. Ubuntu has the full force of upstream Debian behind it, while Centos/Fedora has Red Hat upstream, which just got bought by Oracle. Is anyone in the Centos/Fedora ecosystem concerned about the sale? What happens if management simply quits making public RH streams available? What if the lawyers come out as usual?

Hasn't Red Hat been bought by IBM?

Yes, you're right. I misrecalled. Thanks.
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