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What worries me is that the mechanics of MAD may be approaching their end. With increasing space technology, perimeter defense against ICBMs have become feasible (albeit still very expensive). Thinking this forward a couple of decades, I think that defense may become cheaper than offense, even with multiple warheads per ICBM. In a way that's good, as nuclear annihilation might be averted, on ther other hand it could…

Idk. I think we’re facing a different kind of MAD. Nations are full of sensitive spots that could utterly cripple their economies. Satellites, data centers, energy plants... Or just send some hackers to cause as much chaos as they can with rewards instead of consequences. Imagine the impact of deleting all financial records at a big bank.

> Imagine the impact of deleting all financial records at a big bank.

As the crisis management consultant for trading companies, I can say what the impact will be -- about two weeks of sleepless nights and endless phone calls for the likes of me, grabbing all the data they can find from old backups, other counterparties, clearing agencies, and other guys and girls from the banking tech mafia, and plugging it back to the databases while the executives make their best poker faces and try to convince everybody that everything is all right.

Stuff like that (maybe with less scale, but still quite a lot of damage) happens occasionally... by accident, and thankfully stays unknown for the general public.

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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post #216

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That sounds so unlikely that most people would dismiss it as silly... I'm not a pilot, but if the controls are linked -- why would the plane need to know where the pilot is sitting (or even have a switch for it)? (Any 747 pilots reading? Can you please fill in the gaps for me?)

Not a 747 pilot (not sure why that matters here)... but a pilot. The flight positions are equal. The plane is designed to be flown the same from either flight position and this is routinely done. The guy saying otherwise is talking out their ass.

Thanks for the details :)

I said 747 because I was thinking Boeing at the time, and that was the first of their aircraft I could think of!

I was also thinking something smaller like a Cessna might not have the same setup because they're used for very different things (the air travel equivalent of a bus vs. a car).

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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Loss of one engine at low speed will leave a twin uncontrollable. See Vmc ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/V_speeds?wprov=sfla1 ).

If you promptly shut off the other engine, does it become equivalent to single engine failure?

In general, a twin will weigh considerably more than a single as well as having greater drag, making for shorter glides.

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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"SpaceX has ballistic missiles with a CEP significantly smaller than a drone ship" It goes quite slowly compared to a real ICBM and relies on GPS that will be jammed in a real war.

Don't you think they could easily replace the GPS with some other navigation module?

INS drifts a lot, not sure how precise is stellar

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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"SpaceX has ballistic missiles with a CEP significantly smaller than a drone ship" It goes quite slowly compared to a real ICBM and relies on GPS that will be jammed in a real war.

F9 has multiple IMUs. Won't be accurate enough to fly a cruise missile through someone's window, but if you're sending a big enough bomb it doesn't matter if you're a few hundred meters off.

A single bomb is not as good as lots of MIRVs

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Idk. I think we’re facing a different kind of MAD. Nations are full of sensitive spots that could utterly cripple their economies. Satellites, data centers, energy plants... Or just send some hackers to cause as much chaos as they can with rewards instead of consequences. Imagine the impact of deleting all financial records at a big bank.

> Imagine the impact of deleting all financial records at a big bank. As the crisis management consultant for trading companies, I can say what the impact will be -- about two weeks of sleepless nights and endless phone calls for the likes of me, grabbing all the data they can find from old backups, other counterparties, clearing agencies, and other guys and girls from the banking tech mafia, and plugging it back to…

This is fascinating

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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I don't find that particularly surprising. Engineering students want to learn how to build machines to find solutions to everything, so it's intuitive that they would place a high confidence in a solution provided by a machine.

With no back checking?

That's why I said "engineering students", not "engineers". Not blindly trusting your outputs is (or, at least, should be) part of the curriculum.

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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The software fixes as described sound sensible and it's hard to believe they were not in the original design. Unfortunately I don't see how these changes will allow them to keep a common type rating with the 737 NG. After the updated MCAS has made its one shot trim adjustment you will now be flying an aircraft with different handling characteristics if you keep increasing the angle of attack into the stall. Surely th…

>The software fixes as described sound sensible and it's hard to believe they were not in the original design Without the benefit of hind sight it's not obvious that it's a better decision. MCAS being turned off changes the flight characteristics of the plane. If you do that silently you might run into a situation where an aircraft stalls because a pilot is used to having MCAS correcting their input.

An always-on system designed to always override the pilot should be at least as reliable as the control system used by the pilot. Because the 737MAX is supposedly flies like a 737, and because authorities signed off on this without mandating pilot training, this means this system needs to be as reliable as it can - to maintain the illusion.

And basically everyone knows that there are some subfields of software engineering where safety is critical. From nuclear reactor/warhead control to healthcare devices, and somewhere right in the middle there should be aviation, and other transportation industry related software (train signaling, braking systems, self-driving whatevers, and so on).

And we have Boeing, acting worse than Uber (when they put someone into a Tesla to watch it self-drive without hooking that someone up on intravenous Modafinil).

Re: “I worked at Boeing for about 1.5 years in the 2008-9 time period”

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Yeah, there's a pilot proverb about how having a second engine "helps you get to the crash site faster".

Or "the plane is certified such that the remaining engine has enough power to take you to the crash site". Indeed. As outlined above, you double the probability that a mechanical problem occurs. (For p small, 1-(1-p)^2 is around 2p). Now, if the pilots are very much on top of things (well trained and current), then they can control things and safely land at the nearest suitable airport. However, if they make a mistak…

Would it be possible to make single-engine planes usable for commercial passenger flights with similar economics?
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