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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by kijin » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:29 AM UTC

Crinus wrote: post #11

viraptor wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This really came with kde5. I get why they started using the name "plasma desktop". It's almost completely different thing from kde4. Whatever options / expectations people had after kde4 and earlier, they just shouldn't apply.

AFAIK they call it Plasma (just Plasma, not Plasma Desktop) because that is now the name for what was previously called KDE and KDE now is the name of the community and project that acts as an umbrella for various other projects, including Plasma but also applications such as Krita, KDevelop, Amarok, etc. The desktop environment isn't officially called KDE anymore, it is Plasma.

Does this mean that Kubuntu will become Pubuntu at some point?

It's weird seeing a KDE product without a single K in its name.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by zzzcpan » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:31 AM UTC

virtualpain wrote: post #18

I'm not sure whether Xubuntu includes KDE's stuff or people here confused between Xubuntu and Kubuntu?

Yeah, this is weird, I guess some people mistake X for K.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by willvarfar » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:35 AM UTC

Whaoo I can't wait!

Where does Xubuntu and Kubuntu stand, install-base-wise, compared to the default Ubuntu? And other distros, for that matter?

I'm one of many people who left Ubuntu as soon as they started doing their big UI changes. I went to Xubuntu.

But I have no bigger idea of which distro is hot anymore; once I settled on Xubuntu, I haven't really been shopping around for alternatives.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by slezyr » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:37 AM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9

s_kilk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by DyslexicAtheist » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:40 AM UTC

slezyr wrote: post #24

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper:

just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system:

  sudo apt-get install konqueror
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  Building dependency tree       
  Reading state information... Done
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    kpackagetool5 kwayland-data kwayland-integration
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  Suggested packages:
    tk | wish dolphin-plugins konq-plugins fam voikko-fi
    phonon4qt5-backend-gstreamer hspell
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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by noir_lord » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:52 AM UTC

I switch from Xubuntu to Fedora/Cinnamon.

I really like fedora and Cinnamon is kind what I imagine XFCE would be if they rebuilt it from scratch.

It's nice to have choices that fit my workflow though.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Crinus » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 10:57 AM UTC

slezyr wrote: post #24

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

If you run an application that needs the KDE (or GNOME) libs and you focus on it (e.g. an IDE, a browser, a document viewer, etc) then it doesn't matter that it uses the KDE/GNOME libs since you can consider them as part of the program itself and they'll be gone once you close the program (still take disk space but that isn't much of an issue outside of VMs).

Auxiliary stuff you leave at the background (e.g. an IM or music player) tend to have multiple applications and you can always find an alternative.

There are exceptions of course but they can be limited in general.

And chances are you want to avoid the latter stuff for the former stuff, it isn't like RAM exists to be unused (even for file caching). In other words, if i run a heavy program as a primary task then there is even more of a reason to want auxiliary programs to be lightweight so that this program will have more resources for itself.

(Also as an extra bonus, sometimes as a programmer i want the primary programs - IDE - to be lightweight themselves since i want the resources to be available for the program i am working on)

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 11:21 AM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25

slezyr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin ka…

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by paulcarroty » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 11:24 AM UTC

I'm prefer Fedora 'cause better stability & great contact with developers. Xfce with their "WinXP forever" style can be popular only inside old people communities and greedy enterprise desktops.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by majewsky » Thu, Apr 18, 2019, 11:27 AM UTC

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #25

slezyr wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What is the point? Sometimes you need software that relies on KDE and there is no alternative for it.

yes your mileage may vary. haven't been in a situation where KDE or Gnome had something which I couldn't get done cheaper: just an idea of what happens if I were to install konqueror on a non-kde system: sudo apt-get install konqueror Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: baloo-kf5 catdoc dolphin kactivities-bin ka…

This example is kind of unfair for two reasons:

1. Konqueror is basically the Swiss army knife of KDE. No wonder it pulls in everything and the kitchen sink.

2. You present an intimidatingly large package list to make your point, but that list is that long 'because KDE Frameworks (formerly known as kdelibs) is now deliberately packaged in a lot of tiny pieces to reduce the amount of libraries that an average application needs to pull in.