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Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Crinus »

viraptor wrote: post #5
fareesh wrote: post #3

I've been using Kubuntu since 18.04. The performance has been good i.e. much better than Ubuntu w/ Gnome, and most things are relatively painless/intuitive to setup when needed. KDE has some decent themes as well to get it to look a little more polished than the default theme.

This really came with kde5. I get why they started using the name "plasma desktop". It's almost completely different thing from kde4. Whatever options / expectations people had after kde4 and earlier, they just shouldn't apply.

AFAIK they call it Plasma (just Plasma, not Plasma Desktop) because that is now the name for what was previously called KDE and KDE now is the name of the community and project that acts as an umbrella for various other projects, including Plasma but also applications such as Krita, KDevelop, Amarok, etc. The desktop environment isn't officially called KDE anymore, it is Plasma.

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9
s_kilk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

k__ wrote: post #2

Did they go back to the roots and made it more lightweight again?

not sure if kde can be considered as having ever been lightweight. as far as I remember it was always one of the most heavy DE's around.

edit: I'm rate-limted[x] from commenting for defending myself against people calling me a brown-nosed European and white supremacist so I can't really reply below to @Crinus:

here reply inline:

oh I didn't know about v1, I think the first version I used was kde2 and that was the heaviest option you could install back then (iirc).

fwiw my comparison to i3 above isn't really fair. one is just a WM the other is a full-blown DE.

[x] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19633128

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

#14

Post by Crinus »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9
s_kilk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so.

(all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by [deleted] »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9
s_kilk wrote: post #4

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm in a similar boat, I used to use Xubuntu extensively, but have been on Kubuntu for the last while. KDE _feels_ light, and the metrics in System Monitor agree. So while the new Xubuntu release has piqued my interest, I'm not sure I actually need it any more. Today's KDE seems to fit right into the pocket of relatively light and relatively featureful.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

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Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by Crinus »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #13
k__ wrote: post #2

Did they go back to the roots and made it more lightweight again?

not sure if kde can be considered as having ever been lightweight. as far as I remember it was always one of the most heavy DE's around. edit: I'm rate-limted[x] from commenting for defending myself against people calling me a brown-nosed European and white supremacist so I can't really reply below to @Crinus: here reply inline: oh I didn't know about v1, I think the first version I used was kde2 and that was the hea…

KDE1 was very fast and lightweight, i used it back when it was new via Caldera OpenLinux on a PMMX with 32MB RAM and i was very impressed not only with how fast it was but with how much stuff the CD came with (although that was largely due to the excellent - and unreplicated - work of the people behind COL)- and proceeded to do what every self respecting teenage nerd that learned about Linux does: install it on every friend and relative's computer, permission optional of course :-P

No really, KDE1 was very fast - try COL 2.3 CD from archive.org[1] and put it in PCem or 86box with an emulated Pentium MMX at 166MHz and 32MB of RAM and see it for yourself.

Later versions bulged and bloated and i do not think it ever felt as lightweight, but at least version 3 was rock solid. Of course this meant that KDE4 had to be rewritten from scratch and become a bloated buggy mess, as is tradition on the Linux desktop (also see GNOME 3 and i'm going to be very disappointed if XFCE doesn't become slower and bloated after it fully switches to GTK 3).

[1] https://archive.org/details/OpenLinux2.3CD

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by DyslexicAtheist »

Crinus wrote: post #14
DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

last time I used kde was in 2002. I loved especially kmail and konqueror. Though I have eventually been turned off by the dependency hell of big DE's (not unique to kde and probably only an issue if you compile the DE yourself, ... though also annoying if you have 100+ base-packages/dependencies pulled in just because you want 1 tool). after moving to i3 I find it hard to look back. the level of customization I can d…

Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)

oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be:

  smem -c pss -t | tail -1
    220678
EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation:

no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab

  proc    /proc    proc    defaults,hidepid=2     0     0

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

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Post by alex_duf »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #13
k__ wrote: post #2

Did they go back to the roots and made it more lightweight again?

not sure if kde can be considered as having ever been lightweight. as far as I remember it was always one of the most heavy DE's around. edit: I'm rate-limted[x] from commenting for defending myself against people calling me a brown-nosed European and white supremacist so I can't really reply below to @Crinus: here reply inline: oh I didn't know about v1, I think the first version I used was kde2 and that was the hea…

Kubuntu => KDE

Xubuntu => xfce

Re: Xubuntu 19.04: The Exhaustive Update

#20

Post by Crinus »

DyslexicAtheist wrote: post #17
Crinus wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is that 600MB of used RAM? Why is it so much? I've seen KDE environments use less than 400MB and when i use Window Maker i get something around 250MB or so. (all of them are ridiculous sizes considering something like Windows NT 4 needs 16MB of RAM for the entire system and applications to run while providing a ton of functionality out of the box, but still even relatively your setup looks to use a lot of memory)

oops, my bad. notice the mistake I made with sudo so this includes all the other things currently running. Limited to my current user the correct value would be: smem -c pss -t | tail -1 220678 EDIT: reply inline to @Crinus because rate limitation: no this is only current user because hidepid on proc in fstab proc /proc proc defaults,hidepid=2 0 0

Still, isn't it the entire system's load?
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