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New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

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Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#81
post #13

country doesn't need that many pilots if it doesn't wage endless wars, though.

how else would we go into deeper debt? the budget deficit and debt is not going to grow on it's own.

Entitlement programs dwarf military spending.

https://www.quora.com/What-percentage-of-the-Federal-US-budg...

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#82
post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As an American voter, I can assure you my choices have always been war or war.

There have always been 3rd-party choices on the ballot.

Which I always voted for, as a "none of the above" vote. (The above being the two main party candidates.)

In 2016 I voted for HC (no love) as a vote against DT. Some things are more existential than others.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#84
post #44
post #6

Seems like the Air Force is trapped in a vicious underhiring/overhiring cycle. When I was in college I did Air Force ROTC. A lot of my peers had pilot slots; I was poised as a 17D (Cyber Ops). After graduating, my training date was put on hold virtually indefinitely. Eventually I got an email that the Air Force had commissioned way too many officers and were looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/…

And...there is the other end. My brother is a pilot and was retired by the Air Force because he had been in so long...so out he goes. Now he is a contractor flying drones for them getting paid 3x as much while drawing a hefty retirement. My brother loved the Air Force and wanted to stay...now he gets to stay and get paid a boat load more. Air Force brass not very smart.

Would you please add to you message whether he flies lethal drones or just pure reconnaissance?

While some people could be tempted with "paid 3x as much..." most will pass on this opportunity, learning you actually have to drop bombs and undoubtedly kill people for your tripled pay rate.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#85

Especially pilots with biplane experience, I'm sure. Why are we building manned warplanes?

We build manned warplanes because you want a human with decision making capability on the trigger, drone communications can be jammed, and AI is a myth.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#86
This is just as bad, if not worse, in other career fields too. I am an active duty EE. The Air Force paid for my undergrad then paid for my Masters. I am on my payback tour in a research lab, and I spend more then 80% of my time managing contractual requirements, finances, and other "inherently government functions" that they need a warm body to do (and that I have only gotten on the job training for). This is not even close to the unique story. Active Duty get tapped for all of the "odds and ends" duties because they can be tasked to, they either won't hire someone or taking the time to hire someone takes too much time/resources.

I had a friend of mine (also with a fully paid Undergrad and Grad in engineering) with the same experience get tapped to do Honor Guard Duty for six months. Seriously.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#87
post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except they do. Pilots also fly in humanitarian aid, fly out civilians and medical casualties, carry out Search and Rescue, and perform reconnaissance during natural disasters.

Civilian pilots can, and do, all those things. And in much cheaper aircraft to fly/maintain.

I'm skeptical that when disasters strike that any private/civilian organization has the capacity to actually mount an effective relief operation. (Excess capacity is unprofitable and would be trimmed out before the disaster happened.) The military, on the other hand - by definition, in times of peace - has plenty of excess capacity to execute an effective relief operation.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#88
post #6

Seems like the Air Force is trapped in a vicious underhiring/overhiring cycle. When I was in college I did Air Force ROTC. A lot of my peers had pilot slots; I was poised as a 17D (Cyber Ops). After graduating, my training date was put on hold virtually indefinitely. Eventually I got an email that the Air Force had commissioned way too many officers and were looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/…

Hay fever causes problems with wearing the oxygen mask.

Edit: Downvote me if you like, but that's the reason I was given when I asked an Air Force pilot.

Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#89
post #6

Seems like the Air Force is trapped in a vicious underhiring/overhiring cycle. When I was in college I did Air Force ROTC. A lot of my peers had pilot slots; I was poised as a 17D (Cyber Ops). After graduating, my training date was put on hold virtually indefinitely. Eventually I got an email that the Air Force had commissioned way too many officers and were looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/…

> looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/obligation - seemed like a good deal How’s that a good deal? Presumably you wanted to join and now that’s something you’d never get to do?

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Re: New study shows grim outlook for future of Air Force pilot shortage

#90
post #6

Seems like the Air Force is trapped in a vicious underhiring/overhiring cycle. When I was in college I did Air Force ROTC. A lot of my peers had pilot slots; I was poised as a 17D (Cyber Ops). After graduating, my training date was put on hold virtually indefinitely. Eventually I got an email that the Air Force had commissioned way too many officers and were looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/…

> looking for people to voluntarily leave with no commitment/obligation - seemed like a good deal How’s that a good deal? Presumably you wanted to join and now that’s something you’d never get to do?

The deal is that when you join ROTC, the military agrees to pay a certain amount of your your college costs (depending on scholarship, could be most of it), and in return, you agree to a certain number of years of service.

Even if OP did really want to be in the Air Force, having an obligation washed away like that with no penalty sounds like a pretty good deal.

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