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Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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As a European, it always baffles me how normal it is in US to be homeless. Seems like it can happen to anyone during their life. A bit of bad luck and you're on the street.

In Europe, there are so many safety nets that nobody should end up homeless. Some still do, but it's really a tiny minority compared to US.

This is also one of the most surprising things I saw, the first time I went to the US: so many homeless people, everywhere. Even in small towns.

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Arguably the most accomplished athlete ever, Michael Phelps, has struggled with these same issues [0]. Today he is more upfront about his suicidal issues and what strategies he uses to help with his mental health. Such issues are incredibly personal, but there does seem to be some correlations with 'Black Swan' people (per the Natalie Portman movie) and later term mental health. [0] https://www.menshealth.com/health/…

I know that posting suicide hotline numbers seems like the right thing to do, but it's generally not helpful. People who call these numbers run the real risk of being detained against their will for extended periods of time while running up large hospital bills, when they just needed someone to talk to. Then there's the lack of statistical evidence that suicide hotline numbers actually prevent suicides in the long ru…

> lack of statistical evidence that suicide hotline numbers actually prevent suicides in the long run.

I'm not sure if you say what you mean; but that's not really their purpose as I understand it? Prevent a suicide today, open the door to treatment tomorrow - vs failing to prevent a suicide today, and there being no option for treatment tomorrow?

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Agreed. Those were the things that I spotted instantly. The first thing when you think of for homeless people is mental health. You don't have to be full-on crazy to have mental health issues that bring you down the wrong path of bad decision-making. The fact the family doesn't want to talk, that she was asked to leave by her parents, that she kept losing her job, these all speak volumes. It's terrible, but it happen…

Because abstracting one person's story to "mental health" is extremely dehumanizing. In fact, the article does address the topic head on: > "What (Twigg) has is a great trait," Thompson said. "Unless you get into the workforce." The truth is that personality traits aren't really considered disorders until they affect your ability to lead a normal life, the chief aspect being to "hold down a job". So we lauded her whe…

It not just "hold down a job".

When your own family can't stand being around you, I would say that qualifies as a serious problem.

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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[I'm not at all denying your hypothesis. Just wishing to probe the issue further.] When women are choosing their coaches do they exhibit the same sort of choices, that you called prejudice? Maybe in general men are better at coaching? Are you assuming it is prejudice, or is that demonstrable? I wonder if sportsmen perceive that more successful sportsmen make better coaches, so female sportsmen think that males are be…

Again a simple example. Track cycling always been more difficult for athletes to make a living from, even for men. A lot of them either are integrated in traditional pro-teams or shift to road pro-cycling after their accomplishments on track. For instance Bradley Wiggins started on track then later won TdF. So part of my point was saying when there is less opportunity to make something like that (there is no true TdF…

Can women not participate in the tour de france?

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because abstracting one person's story to "mental health" is extremely dehumanizing. In fact, the article does address the topic head on: > "What (Twigg) has is a great trait," Thompson said. "Unless you get into the workforce." The truth is that personality traits aren't really considered disorders until they affect your ability to lead a normal life, the chief aspect being to "hold down a job". So we lauded her whe…

It not just "hold down a job". When your own family can't stand being around you, I would say that qualifies as a serious problem.

Yes, I did acknowledge it was only one metric. There are many people who can't stand their families and/or vice versa, yet if they were characterized as mentally ill it would effectively nullify the term. So this is also subjectively condemning personality traits that are celebrated in other contexts, veiled with impartiality.

And while this is a contributing factor to her actual situation (if she were on better terms with her family, that would be another support structure), that doesn't really have a bearing on what I said in the USian individualist paradigm.

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Arguably the most accomplished athlete ever, Michael Phelps, has struggled with these same issues [0]. Today he is more upfront about his suicidal issues and what strategies he uses to help with his mental health. Such issues are incredibly personal, but there does seem to be some correlations with 'Black Swan' people (per the Natalie Portman movie) and later term mental health. [0] https://www.menshealth.com/health/…

I know that posting suicide hotline numbers seems like the right thing to do, but it's generally not helpful. People who call these numbers run the real risk of being detained against their will for extended periods of time while running up large hospital bills, when they just needed someone to talk to. Then there's the lack of statistical evidence that suicide hotline numbers actually prevent suicides in the long ru…

> people who call these numbers run the real risk of being detained against their will for extended periods of time while running up large hospital bills

Source please?

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Yes. I was a competitive athlete for years and filling that void after leaving the sport was very difficult. To be honest I dumped a lot of that energy into my work but I've realized over the last few years that I need something equally satisfying at home that has some type of competitive aspect to it. Otherwise I get very bored very quickly at home and will spent way too many hours in the office.

The problem with dumping extremism into your profession is that it doesn’t work the way sports do. In career, you can’t measure yourself, and it doesn’t even matter because pedigree and politics beat hard work and skill every time.

> pedigree and politics beat hard work and skill every time.

I can't agree with this as a universal truth. Personally I only got noticed and landed a job at NASA because of hard work and skill. I was hired for my current job based on capability also. Places that are capability based have been great to work at. I don't even have a degree which is very unusual in my particular field.

I do agree it is generally true though.

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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post #93

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes. I was a competitive athlete for years and filling that void after leaving the sport was very difficult. To be honest I dumped a lot of that energy into my work but I've realized over the last few years that I need something equally satisfying at home that has some type of competitive aspect to it. Otherwise I get very bored very quickly at home and will spent way too many hours in the office.

The problem with dumping extremism into your profession is that it doesn’t work the way sports do. In career, you can’t measure yourself, and it doesn’t even matter because pedigree and politics beat hard work and skill every time.

for better or worse, politics IS a skill!

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Great story. I kind of agree with many others here that it sounds like a mental health issue. But I also think that the story is more complicated than that. We shouldn't neglect the impact on the brain a professional sports career has. I've seen it many times. The amount of sacrifice and energy put into something like this leads to a very unbalanced lifestyle, which is usually encouraged from all sides (parents, coac…

Is the mental health issue the cause of the homelessness, or is the homelessness the cause of the mental health issue? There have been a number of studies that show that poverty has a very real impact on your mental abilities. It wouldn't surprise me at all if homelessness itself causes mental health problems. But there are absolutely also athletes who have a hard time functioning outside their sports bubble.

It's very hard to get enough good sleep when homeless. It's also hard to find bathrooms, food, any sort of comfortable rest, ETC...

Expecting anyone to remain sane for an extended period (or even a short time) under these conditions is absurd.

Re: Olympic medal-winning cyclist Rebecca Twigg is homeless in Seattle

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Agreed. Those were the things that I spotted instantly. The first thing when you think of for homeless people is mental health. You don't have to be full-on crazy to have mental health issues that bring you down the wrong path of bad decision-making. The fact the family doesn't want to talk, that she was asked to leave by her parents, that she kept losing her job, these all speak volumes. It's terrible, but it happen…

Wow, that's scary. Did he have any signs of schizophrenia before?

No real signs that I picked up on at the time. I talked with his ex-fiancee when I found out, and she said it manifested itself into a paranoid schizophrenia where he was worried about being listened in on. One time I emailed him and I asked him "how are you doing, enquiring minds want to know?" His response was "Who are these enquiring minds that you are asking on behalf of?" I thought he was joking at the time, but I guess that was a sign.
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