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Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by gsich »

leeoniya wrote: post #104
millstone wrote: post #35

The headline is an outright lie: these AMP pages are loaded from Google and not your domain. The new feature is that Google's browser displays your domain, obscuring the fact that Google is doing the serving. The change is what is displayed, not the server.

next month they'll also style it like your browser's native address bar for a better user experience and intoduce a w3c standard API for hiding the real address bar. /s?

They already had the braindead idea of hiding parts of the URL like "www." or "m." so it's not that unrealistic unfortunately.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by snaky »

duozerk wrote: post #105
meowface wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They can already do that, and are doing so, through Search, Analytics (maybe), ads, etc. That war is long lost.

They can't if you block all their shitty domains and don't use google services. Things that many privacy-conscious users do.

If (or when) the share of that privacy-conscious users will rise, Google might motivate webmasters to compile GA scripts in the main JS script, and considering pretty much any website now a days just doesn't show content with no Javascript enabled, it would be much harder to avoid.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by stephenr »

themacguffinman wrote: post #99
abc-xyz wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that the only way? Seems like they could easily have achieved the same result by significantly penalizing sites based on load time and number of external requests.

Because users want relevant search results much more than fast websites. Google already factors in a website's performance in their rankings, but weighing it too much over content relevance will make search results worse.

How is that relevant?

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by gsich »

meowface wrote: post #85
rando444 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AMP allows Google to see exactly how you interact with every page on the internet. Just from the text of the pages you visit they can build a profile around you. What your interests are, how much of an article you're likely to finish, whether you're the type of person to highlight text as you read, etc. Unless you live on an island with a poor satellite connection AMP is useless as anything more than a corporate user…

They can already do that, and are doing so, through Search, Analytics (maybe), ads, etc. That war is long lost.

No excuse.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by kelnos »

jazoom wrote: post #76
48309248302 wrote: post #11

This sounds terrible. Does it mean that browsers will begin lying to users and say that the users are visiting the website's server when they are really visiting a restricted version of the website that is hosted in Google's cache? I don't want my content restricted or hosted in Google's cache. AMP doesn't load in a privacy sensitive way. It's on Google's servers and it takes many seconds to load if you have JavaScri…

I decided it's time to give DuckDuckGo another shot. I just realised it's a lot nicer to scroll through its results than Google is now.

I've been using DDG for at least a year now. On some occasions I can't find what I need and end up checking Google, but in those cases, Google usually can't find what I need either.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by OrgNet »

stupidthrottle wrote: post #101

For people who don’t like AMP, avoiding it is really easy: Don’t use Google search. That’s all. That’s really all there is to it. You should give it a try!

I've also seen HN users share AMP links ...

One example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=19679136 , luckily someone also provided the non-amp equivalent...

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by tannhaeuser »

Wtf? I guess it's time to blacklist Google and their web of worthlessness. I mean, using Google Search is literally "give me advertisement in disguise" these days, and I don't understand what people expect from using it. An effective remedy also seems to block all script; serves as a useful filter for actual content rather than ad-infested clickbait, and the script-ladden pages you can't view aren't worth your time and bandwidth anyway.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by jsnell »

This is such a strange reaction from HN. The AMP cache URLs have been a top 3 complaint about AMP here. "I can't copy-paste URLs, it's hard for users to understand which site they are on, it looks like the content is provided by Google rather than the real provider", etc.

Now there's a solution that preserves the preloading and validation benefits of AMP caches but maintains the original URLs, in a way that's cryptographically sound, in the process of being standardized, and controlled by the publisher. This gets launched much faster than one would have expected. And suddenly everyone pretends that the AMP cache URLs were never a problem and this is some kind of a power-grab.

Re: AMP pages displaying your own domain

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Post by josteink »

foota wrote: post #98
millstone wrote: post #35

The headline is an outright lie: these AMP pages are loaded from Google and not your domain. The new feature is that Google's browser displays your domain, obscuring the fact that Google is doing the serving. The change is what is displayed, not the server.

At this point, if you ignore the amp aspect, how is this any different from plain http caching?

When I click a search result for company.com I expect to be taken to the resulting page at company.com, not Google’s HTTP-cache of that page.
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