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Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:32 PM UTC

klodolph wrote: post #168

baddox wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Netflix is actually probably the most common source of 4k home video for most people. Nearly all of the Netflix original content is 4k, increasingly in Dolby Vision. Unfortunately (and bizarrely, to me), you do have to buy the most expensive monthly plan to have access to the 4k content. I don't understand why they would choose to make video quality the main object of price discrimination (it seems like associating N…

While it is available in 4K, even if you are paying for access to 4K you are not necessarily getting the stream in 4K.

I wonder at that - you can clearly see the difference with an HDR and Dolby Vision image in a way that you can't "downsample", so, do they/can they downsample the HDR image to hit 1080p?

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by wazoox » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:39 PM UTC

8K doesn't make sense, anywhere. I'm middle-aged, and I can't at 2 meters distinguish 4K from 1080p. Nobody in the world can see the difference between 8K and 4K. It's a shameful waste of resource and ridiculous planned obsolescence.

In fact, it should probably be forbidden for wasting precious resources for no good reason.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by SketchySeaBeast » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:40 PM UTC

iwasakabukiman wrote: post #33

arprocter wrote: post #13

Interesting to see how/if the cable companies respond to the resolution wars - last time I checked the only one offering 4k was DirecTV, with everyone else still at 1080 Newer stuff upscaled from 1080 generally looks fine to my increasingly middle-aged eyes, but content filmed on older cameras looks awful at 4k (Law and Order springs to mind)

A good portion of cable isn’t even 1080p/i. Many cable companies squish things down to 720p/i to minimize bandwidth and shove more channels into their lineups.

And the compression - good gawd. I recently upgrade to a 4k OLED TV, and watching cable TV almost hurts - the blacks in Game of Thrones are painfully crushed, incredibly splotchy messes due to the compression.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by dasloop » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:42 PM UTC

wazoox wrote: post #172

8K doesn't make sense, anywhere. I'm middle-aged, and I can't at 2 meters distinguish 4K from 1080p. Nobody in the world can see the difference between 8K and 4K. It's a shameful waste of resource and ridiculous planned obsolescence. In fact, it should probably be forbidden for wasting precious resources for no good reason.

No matter the screen size?

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by whamlastxmas » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:50 PM UTC

dasloop wrote: post #174

wazoox wrote: post #172

8K doesn't make sense, anywhere. I'm middle-aged, and I can't at 2 meters distinguish 4K from 1080p. Nobody in the world can see the difference between 8K and 4K. It's a shameful waste of resource and ridiculous planned obsolescence. In fact, it should probably be forbidden for wasting precious resources for no good reason.

No matter the screen size?

How many people are going to play their PS5 in an IMAX theater?

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by Narishma » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:51 PM UTC

BLanen wrote: post #86

8K is such an insane waste of processing power.

Why? Just because the console can output at 8K doesn't mean games will. The PS3 supported 1080p output but you can probably count on one hand the number of games who rendered at that resolution.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by debug-desperado » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:52 PM UTC

wazoox wrote: post #172

8K doesn't make sense, anywhere. I'm middle-aged, and I can't at 2 meters distinguish 4K from 1080p. Nobody in the world can see the difference between 8K and 4K. It's a shameful waste of resource and ridiculous planned obsolescence. In fact, it should probably be forbidden for wasting precious resources for no good reason.

The more pixels you throw at font rendering, the better. It also allows for cleaner upscaling from lower resolutions. However, those two uses are needed more on computer monitors, not TVs.

You are right that most folks with 50-65" TVs at 2-3 meters don't benefit from anything higher than 1080p.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by awill » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:55 PM UTC

fisherwithac wrote: post #102

After reading the more detailed Wired article, I can assuredly place myself in the "cautiously optimistic" car of the hype train for the PS5 (I myself own a PS4 Pro that I've been happy with). There are a lot of solid boxes that Sony's ticking: backwards compatibility with the previous generation, sticking with physical game copies instead of moving towards a "games-as-a-service" cloud model, updates to hardware that…

They won't really support native 8k in any real game. They'll support 8k the way ps4 pro support 4k. Through their upscaling technique. I'm all for that. The ps5 should definitely be able to do true, real 4k, and upsample to 8k

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by awill » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

fisherwithac wrote: post #110

abrawill wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

8K output support doesn't really cost much so I wouldn't worry about it. It doesn't matter to most of the GPU internals. Games will internally run at whatever resolution they think results in the best quality/responsiveness/fluidity/development-cost trade-off, supporting 8K doesn't change anything there.

Fair enough. My concerns were more rooted in performance than the cost of the console itself. But the performance gains they reported by switching to an SSD would more than likely trump anything lost by supporting higher resolutions.

there's nothing 'lost' by supporting higher resolutions. It will render internally at (say) 4k, and upsample to 8k.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Post by jcl » Tue, Apr 16, 2019, 8:56 PM UTC

slantyyz wrote: post #95

overcast wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It says right in the title. "Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details: 8K graphics, ray tracing, SSDs, and PS4 backwards compatibility"

At this point, the hardware on the PS5 sounds powerful enough to provide backwards compatibility for the PS3 (and all of its predecessors). That would appeal to some people who have old consoles/games collecting dust in their basements/attics.

It would be nice, but I'd be surprised if they make much of an effort. There's little financial motivation to make available a huge library of practically free games, especially if people are willing to pay for new "nostalgia" consoles with a small selection of greatest hits preloaded.