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Interesting that while Microsoft and now Google are building platforms that are de-emphasizing local hardware, Sony recognizes this as an opportunity to differentiate by focusing on how great their box is. Their was a passing reference to a "cloud strategy", but there hasn't been as much evidence as their competitors. This will wind up making for the most interesting console generation since the 32/64 bit era, since…

Sony had their cloud gaming phase back on 2012 when they acquired Gaikai for $380m. Not sure what happened with them, maybe it was before its time.

Gaikai became PS Now, which streams a selection of PS3 games on demand

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Interesting that while Microsoft and now Google are building platforms that are de-emphasizing local hardware, Sony recognizes this as an opportunity to differentiate by focusing on how great their box is. Their was a passing reference to a "cloud strategy", but there hasn't been as much evidence as their competitors. This will wind up making for the most interesting console generation since the 32/64 bit era, since…

Sony had their cloud gaming phase back on 2012 when they acquired Gaikai for $380m. Not sure what happened with them, maybe it was before its time.

PlayStation Now is still a thing, you can subscribe to play lots of PS3 and PS4 games on it, they run on Sony's servers and are streamed to your local device.

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Great to see we're finally getting an SSD by default in consoles. The only thing I'm worried about with this is the fact that high capacity SSDs are more expensive and with a push towards more digital storefronts, I'm wondering how this will work for the users. Then again, it's also a wonderful chance to push streaming, so there is that too.

SSDs have come down in price a lot recently. You can get a 1TB (SanDisk) SSD for £109 https://www.amazon.co.uk/SanDisk-SDSSDA-1T00-G26-Internal-Sp...

Samsung 1TB 860 QVO is just £90 on Amazon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Streaming is where its at. Disney+ will be 4k hdr. All Netflix's own stuff is 4k hdr. And now stuff like F1 racing is also streamable in 4k.

Resolution isn't an indication of image quality. Just like megapixel chasing in photography. Sure it's 4k, but it's heavily compressed, just like the terrible audio quality you get still to this day. They aren't streaming you 100GB.

It’s been a long time since I took a class on compression, but I wonder if 4K has worse image quality than 1080P at the same bitrate. Anyone know?

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Wired has another article[0], with more detail, supposedly exclusive. [0] https://www.wired.com/story/exclusive-sony-next-gen-console/

In regards to the hardware, don't believe the hype until you see it.

I mean... we kind of know what a Ryzen / Navi system will do today.

I’m excited. ;)

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Great to see we're finally getting an SSD by default in consoles. The only thing I'm worried about with this is the fact that high capacity SSDs are more expensive and with a push towards more digital storefronts, I'm wondering how this will work for the users. Then again, it's also a wonderful chance to push streaming, so there is that too.

not to mention vendors typically sell the hardware at a loss (or at least they used to), and make up those losses via higher margins on content and service sales. I'd be curious to know if that's still the case.

Hasn't been the case this generation from what I remember. Brief google search gives me:

https://www.extremetech.com/gaming/251038-theres-no-profit-m...

https://attackofthefanboy.com/news/microsoft-small-profit-ma...

https://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2013/11/20/at-399-r...

Seems like Sony was the only one selling at a slight loss (compared to the PS3's heavy 200+ USD loss per unit) and it's most likely improved for everybody since.

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sony had their cloud gaming phase back on 2012 when they acquired Gaikai for $380m. Not sure what happened with them, maybe it was before its time.

PlayStation Now is still a thing, you can subscribe to play lots of PS3 and PS4 games on it, they run on Sony's servers and are streamed to your local device.

Not anymore -- while they still offer that feature, it's downplayed in favor of a Netflix-style rotating library of games that are downloaded and run on local hardware.

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Great to see we're finally getting an SSD by default in consoles. The only thing I'm worried about with this is the fact that high capacity SSDs are more expensive and with a push towards more digital storefronts, I'm wondering how this will work for the users. Then again, it's also a wonderful chance to push streaming, so there is that too.

I threw a 1TB 860 EVO into my PS4Pro for relatively cheap (maybe $200 back then?)

Since the console is very low on writes they can probably make these like 0.3DPWD for fairly cheap at Sony scale.

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What is a "3D audio"?

I believe they're refering to binaural recordings and synthetised 3d audio effects[1]. Specifically, it's likely about the inclusion and use of TrueAudio[2], its current encarnation (TrueAudio Next) or a successor of that. On my own experience with Sennheiser HD600 headphones, these effects can sound real to the point of tricking my mind. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Binaural_recording [1] https://en.wikipedia.o…

Use https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ambisonics for internal processing then output as binaural stereo. 3D audio! External speakers can approximate binaural audio to a passable degree.

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Streaming is where its at. Disney+ will be 4k hdr. All Netflix's own stuff is 4k hdr. And now stuff like F1 racing is also streamable in 4k.

Resolution isn't an indication of image quality. Just like megapixel chasing in photography. Sure it's 4k, but it's heavily compressed, just like the terrible audio quality you get still to this day. They aren't streaming you 100GB.

have you run 4K video through things like Handbrake? They've been proven to seriously reduce the amount of space (and, therefore, bandwidth) that video files need, and considering that 4K videos have about three times the resolution [1] they have a lot of space to gain from it. I would guess that there are appliances that can run some flavor of compression in real-time to get 4K to stream well. Yes, it will take more space than 1080p will, but that's to be expected.

[1] (31802160)/(19201080) = 3.3125

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