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Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Some of these documents have been made public before late last year. All of them seem to still be related to the Six4Three lawsuit: > The documents stem from a California court case between the social network and the little-known startup Six4Three, which sued Facebook in 2015 after the company announced plans to cut off access to some types of user data. Six4Three’s app, Pikinis, which soft-launched in 2013, relied o…

They noticed that there wasn't a negative Facebook story in the news cycle so they played a rerun

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

#52
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope to avoid a political debate, but the left has plenty of negative messages too. The rich are too rich and don't have to pay taxes, the poor are too poor, racism never completely went away, the corporate world is unfair to women, and so on. I doubt there has ever been a political movement without any negative messages. I should add in support of your point about social media having a propensity to negativity, th…

> but the left has plenty of negative messages too. The rich are too rich and don't have to pay taxes, the poor are too poor, racism never completely went away, the corporate world is unfair to women, and so on. Those are hardly negative, and to equate their tone with far right rhetoric is textbook false equivalency. They are if anything just positions that one may or may not agree with about the just distribution of…

You don't have to dig very far to find some stupid kids on Reddit going off on that "eat the rich" stuff - but the thing is, your "stupid kids" are their "horrible violent mob," and their "stupid kids" are your "horrible violent mob." In reality they're both a little bit violent and definitely both stupid. ;)

Social media and regular media both contribute to this perception because everyone wants to forget about their own bad associations and focus on the bad associations of others. So, if you want to find out about nationalists you read left-leaning publications and if you want to find out about radical-to-the-point-of-silliness leftists you have to read right-leaning publications.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

I am not, and have never been, a user of Facebook. But I have to say, that statement means nothing. Mocking people for their poor choices may be in poor taste, or unfair, but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them. It's all he has done since that reveals that he is actually willing.

> but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them.

What about the part of the statement that says

ZUCK: yea so if you ever need info about anyone at harvard

ZUCK: just ask

ZUCK: i have over 4000 emails, pictures, addresses, sns

Or the fact that he did use user data in the way he suggested in the quote?

https://www.businessinsider.com/how-mark-zuckerberg-hacked-i...

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

#54
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I use it. Yes I've tried. They don't want to switch :/

Same with me, apparently being able to change the background of chats is an "essential feature".

Certain People in One's Life may be incapable of correctly addressing their messages without this feature, so yeah, it's pretty important.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

#55
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I hope to avoid a political debate, but the left has plenty of negative messages too. The rich are too rich and don't have to pay taxes, the poor are too poor, racism never completely went away, the corporate world is unfair to women, and so on. I doubt there has ever been a political movement without any negative messages. I should add in support of your point about social media having a propensity to negativity, th…

> but the left has plenty of negative messages too. The rich are too rich and don't have to pay taxes, the poor are too poor, racism never completely went away, the corporate world is unfair to women, and so on. Those are hardly negative, and to equate their tone with far right rhetoric is textbook false equivalency. They are if anything just positions that one may or may not agree with about the just distribution of…

If you believe that there’s no far left then either you haven’t been looking very hard or your own notion of center is very different than mine.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

#56

Zuck literally is becoming a charicature. What a joke. Except that world democracy is at stake. Can we regulate these goons yet or what?

The Facebook killing democracy meme is flattering for technologists but imo too simplistic. In America there are a number of “democracy killers” or “this is why we have trump” in the mainstream narrative: Russia, Racism, FBI, Facebook, electoral college, etc.

Let’s not forget people tilt towards economic or cultural nationalism for a reason, and it’s in our power to address those reasons directly, not chase band aid solutions.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

#57
post #50

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but the left has plenty of negative messages too. The rich are too rich and don't have to pay taxes, the poor are too poor, racism never completely went away, the corporate world is unfair to women, and so on. Those are hardly negative, and to equate their tone with far right rhetoric is textbook false equivalency. They are if anything just positions that one may or may not agree with about the just distribution of…

You don't have to dig very far to find some stupid kids on Reddit going off on that "eat the rich" stuff - but the thing is, your "stupid kids" are their "horrible violent mob," and their "stupid kids" are your "horrible violent mob." In reality they're both a little bit violent and definitely both stupid. ;) Social media and regular media both contribute to this perception because everyone wants to forget about thei…

> You don't have to dig very far to find some stupid kids on Reddit > Social media and regular media both contribute to this perception

3 of the 4 examples of right wing rhetoric I quoted were uttered publicly by right wing elected officials (including the highest current elected in the land), not by people entertaining themselves on Reddit. The fourth was shouted publicly by crowds in Charlottesville.

The difference between right and left rhetoric is one of kind, not degree. Ethnic nationalism is not a motivating factor on the left today.

Class tensions and frustration over the distribution of opportunity and wealth - yes, those are prominent left-wing issues and that rhetoric is often expressed via insensitive metaphors targeted at the very wealthy, but again, it's not even comparable to the rhetoric of ethnic nationalism.

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

I am not, and have never been, a user of Facebook. But I have to say, that statement means nothing. Mocking people for their poor choices may be in poor taste, or unfair, but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them. It's all he has done since that reveals that he is actually willing.

>but it does not mean one is willing to take advantage of them

He had already taken advantage of them and collected their data at that point...

Re: Facebook documents show plans to sell access to user data discussed for years

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wonder why people were so unwilling to accept Zuckerberg's own sentiment ("dumb fucks") about their data for years. It seems like that's basically the attitude at Facebook from the top down. Everything else is PR spin.

“Dumb fucks” is more overplayed than “Google is going to shut down ”. It’s FUD. Zuckerberg said that when his tiny website was open to his classmates and a few others, and hasn’t been representative of how the company functions. I seriously cant believe that it’s still a meme people use to justify their hate for Facebook.

It has been perfectly representative of how the company functions. Collecting and monetizing data from the "dumb fucks" with little to no regard for anything other than profits and getting people addicted to their apps

edit1: Guess I made some facebook engineers upset as I'm being downvoted. Looks like dymk is likely a facebook engineer, as his comment history has lots of comments seemingly supporting facebook, data collection, and ads, or at the very least arguing against those that oppose them. Reframe it however you want, Zuckerberg, Facebook, and its engineers are immoral and not concerned with the privacy or security of anyone's data. The people that knowingly continue to work their are complicit in the net negative impact facebook has on society

edit2: dymk is no longer a software engineer at facebook, but he was until early this year

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