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Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Interesting to see how/if the cable companies respond to the resolution wars - last time I checked the only one offering 4k was DirecTV, with everyone else still at 1080 Newer stuff upscaled from 1080 generally looks fine to my increasingly middle-aged eyes, but content filmed on older cameras looks awful at 4k (Law and Order springs to mind)

> Newer stuff upscaled from 1080 generally looks fine to my increasingly middle-aged eyes, but content filmed on older cameras looks awful at 4k

You might find this interesting https://trekmovie.com/2019/03/15/star-trek-fan-tests-using-a...

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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A lot of the things they revealed about the Ps5 don't really "wow" me. The system better be backwards-compatible, consoles these days are pretty much more custom PCs, there shouldn't be a problem with backwards-compatibility. Switching to SSD is also a no-brainer, getting better load times as a result of using better hardware isn't that big of an accomplishment, and you could get that performance increase even with a…

Why would there not be a problem with backwards-compatibility? If they're switching processor architecture or vendor at all, there's going to be a huge problem.

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post #14

A lot of the things they revealed about the Ps5 don't really "wow" me. The system better be backwards-compatible, consoles these days are pretty much more custom PCs, there shouldn't be a problem with backwards-compatibility. Switching to SSD is also a no-brainer, getting better load times as a result of using better hardware isn't that big of an accomplishment, and you could get that performance increase even with a…

What's the appeal of 8K? Is the support just there for some future VR plans? I already have my couch about as close to my 55" 4K TV as is reasonable, and can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4K video. If I had an absurdly large TV (70"+) and didn't move my couch back yeah, 4K'd be a clear improvement. But 8K? Why?

For a game, with this amount of GPU power, there's not a tremendous benefit to an 8k screen.

It's good to be future-proof, and if you are at a desk you can pretty easily get a screen where the difference is notable. And people are making 8k content, so you want to support playing that on your flashy high-end machine.

But the important part would be the implications for VR. And also that if it can output 8k@60, then it can output 4k@veryhigh.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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post #14

A lot of the things they revealed about the Ps5 don't really "wow" me. The system better be backwards-compatible, consoles these days are pretty much more custom PCs, there shouldn't be a problem with backwards-compatibility. Switching to SSD is also a no-brainer, getting better load times as a result of using better hardware isn't that big of an accomplishment, and you could get that performance increase even with a…

What's the appeal of 8K? Is the support just there for some future VR plans? I already have my couch about as close to my 55" 4K TV as is reasonable, and can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4K video. If I had an absurdly large TV (70"+) and didn't move my couch back yeah, 4K'd be a clear improvement. But 8K? Why?

Meanwhile, HDR makes a massive difference, but laypeople seem to be pretty familiar with the term "4K" while very few know about "HDR". A testament to the power of numbers in marketing.

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Interesting to see how/if the cable companies respond to the resolution wars - last time I checked the only one offering 4k was DirecTV, with everyone else still at 1080 Newer stuff upscaled from 1080 generally looks fine to my increasingly middle-aged eyes, but content filmed on older cameras looks awful at 4k (Law and Order springs to mind)

When the tech demos in stores made the main use case how clear newspaper text looks in 4k instead of 1080p i realized we probably had reached the end of the TV resolution S-curve.

Guess they should have shown you the larger color space?

https://nofilmschool.com/2013/07/4k-uhd-color-space-gamut-fr...

Personally, I'd like a nice large wall size screen where I can "spread out my work" and read it.

Throw in a Minority Report interface so I'm not stuck with a mouse and keyboard:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7SFeCgoep1c

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Great to see we're finally getting an SSD by default in consoles. The only thing I'm worried about with this is the fact that high capacity SSDs are more expensive and with a push towards more digital storefronts, I'm wondering how this will work for the users. Then again, it's also a wonderful chance to push streaming, so there is that too.

I think consoles are a perfect fit for a fusion drive like in some Apple models. I have tons of games on my Xbox that I'm not going to play any time soon, but don't want to delete. They can be swapped to the hard disk, while games I play more often get loaded onto a smaller SSD.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I am an SIE employee, but this is my opinion and how I understand it from the article description. It may not be correct. It sounds like this will be similar to the way some other sound card manufacturers have created "3d audio" in that you won't need something like a 7.1 system to be able to better portray where exactly a sound is coming from. Stereo headphones will be able to give you a more immersive f…

I've always wondered, which is better: a 7.1 system or stereo headphones with "3d audio"? And if 3d audio is so great, why doesn't everyone just use stereo speakers (maybe with a subwoofer)?

> I've always wondered, which is better: a 7.1 system or stereo headphones with "3d audio"?

Stereo headphones all the way. You only have two ears; they can only ascertain direction based on a) the amplitude and phase differences between the sound reaching each ear and b) the frequency and time-domain filtering effects of your outer ear. These effects can be very accurately emulated using a physical head model or digital signal processing. Properly recorded and mixed binaural audio will provide the most convincing spatial effect, because your eardrums can't tell the difference between a binaural recording and actually being in an acoustic environment.

>And if 3d audio is so great, why doesn't everyone just use stereo speakers (maybe with a subwoofer)?

Your living room isn't an anechoic chamber, so you're hearing both the sound of your speakers and the reverberation of your room. You can tell that you're listening to two sound sources positioned in front of you, because that room reverberation provides substantial spatial information about your actual acoustic environment and degrades the spatial information of the recording. You can mount speakers really close to your ears, so you only hear the sound of each speaker with one ear without the colouring effect of your listening environment; we call such an arrangement "headphones".

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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The inclusion of ray tracing hardware is interesting to me, and sounds like good news to Nvidia, who has been pushing ray tracing as part of their RTX cards.

Even though this uses a custom GPU, if consoles don't support ray tracing, PC games are unlikely to be designed for it, since most games have cross platform releases.

It's also interesting to me that they're supporting the existing PSVR - The new hardware will really help it have some amazing experiences, and it suggests they're decoupling their VR products from the console releases.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Disclaimer: I am an SIE employee, but this is my opinion and how I understand it from the article description. It may not be correct. It sounds like this will be similar to the way some other sound card manufacturers have created "3d audio" in that you won't need something like a 7.1 system to be able to better portray where exactly a sound is coming from. Stereo headphones will be able to give you a more immersive f…

I've always wondered, which is better: a 7.1 system or stereo headphones with "3d audio"? And if 3d audio is so great, why doesn't everyone just use stereo speakers (maybe with a subwoofer)?

I've gamed with 7.1 systems (with good speakers - JBL Pro LSR 305 studio monitors), and with decent headphones.

Headphones are much better than cheapo speaker setups, but a good 7.1 (or even 5.1) system gives a better experience.

I'd probably put it down to being able to feel the noise with your whole body :) with good speakers, rather than the ears-only noise from headphones.

Re: Sony reveals PlayStation 5 details

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post #14

A lot of the things they revealed about the Ps5 don't really "wow" me. The system better be backwards-compatible, consoles these days are pretty much more custom PCs, there shouldn't be a problem with backwards-compatibility. Switching to SSD is also a no-brainer, getting better load times as a result of using better hardware isn't that big of an accomplishment, and you could get that performance increase even with a…

What's the appeal of 8K? Is the support just there for some future VR plans? I already have my couch about as close to my 55" 4K TV as is reasonable, and can barely tell the difference between 1080p and 4K video. If I had an absurdly large TV (70"+) and didn't move my couch back yeah, 4K'd be a clear improvement. But 8K? Why?

I would love to see less emphasis on resolution in consumer TVs and more on refresh rates. It would be great if I could play games on PlayStation at 120 Hz on my living room TV.
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