Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
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Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
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Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#2Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul.
If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way.
Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could take offense, but continue to follow all the other common orthodox Jewish rules/interpretations on the basis that she hasn't personally been offended by them. It seems like a bit of a shallow way to decide what rules are appropriate.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#3Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
It’s pretty clear the author is Orthodox, so this is within her community. That said, many forms of Orthodox Judaism aren’t far off from what we would call “radical Islam” when it comes to their views on women (they don’t wear an abaya, but many wear wigs and full-body covering).
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#4Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
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Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#5Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
You say the phrase "exact strictures of the religion", as if there aren't an untold number of different ways to interpret a set of religious texts that are in many places explicitly and intentionally ambiguous.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#6Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
It’s pretty clear the author is Orthodox, so this is within her community. That said, many forms of Orthodox Judaism aren’t far off from what we would call “radical Islam” when it comes to their views on women (they don’t wear an abaya, but many wear wigs and full-body covering).
Why is this downvoted? Seems pretty much on the spot.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#7I think that modern religions and the way they learn to part with certain medieval ways is critical.
The Jewish religion has been arguably successful with this, producing exceedingly prestigious scientists and mathematicians.
The risk is always the "fundamental" factions.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#8What private religious groups do in their own publications is one thing, what's more concerning, and evident from this story, is the way some parts of Wikipedia are mostly run by fringe groups and operate under their own rules.
I have seen other examples of this in the past. Pages about Hasidic rabbis will mention miracles they performed as undisputed fact, and will not mention facts about them that may be unflattering.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#9Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
As someone who grew up Hasidic (and spoke only Yiddish until 17) I am also not sure what the article is attempting to do here.
Is she trying to bring attention to the sexist attitudes of the Hasidic community? They wanted something, she wanted something else, they paid as per the new conditions. End of story.
Re: Call Me by My Name: Deborah Abrams Kaplan
#10Okay, you have your copyright. The exact strictures of the religion are considered important by these people, so if you're not willing to follow those strictures, you're just not part of the same group. No harm, no foul. If you don't want to cut your son's genitals, you'll also not be welcome in the same way. Edit: to be clear, I agree with the way that Deborah resolved this issue. But I'm just not sure how she could…
As someone who grew up Hasidic (and spoke only Yiddish until 17) I am also not sure what the article is attempting to do here. Is she trying to bring attention to the sexist attitudes of the Hasidic community? They wanted something, she wanted something else, they paid as per the new conditions. End of story.
I think the point of the article is that taking away someone's identity because she happens to be a woman is something that she has the right to oppose, especially if she is that woman. Also, they were dishonest.
Personally, I would side with her view regardless of what kind of religion or publication type it may be.