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Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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Why should I care about the corporate tax burden? Taxes come out of people's pockets, not corporations. There's an argument to be made that we can get foreign shareholders to pay taxes they otherwise wouldn't, but that's a much different argument than "corporations aren't paying their fare share".

>> Taxes come out of people's pockets, not corporations.

That's not correct - corporations are meant to be paying significant tax.

Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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Can’t we just say “your profit for the purposes of taxation is the profit you report to shareholders?”

Yeah I think this is the real problem. Most people think Amazon makes a lot of money. They even say they made $12B, but they gave billions to of RSUs to employees so the IRS wisely says they didn't make much. The truth is they didn't make much/any money which is why their tax is low.

Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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Can’t we just say “your profit for the purposes of taxation is the profit you report to shareholders?”

Seems logical, but in the USA there always seem to be convoluted reasons why seemingly simple things can't happen, usually the result of vested interests pushing their agenda and getting their way for a very long time.

Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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So much of the tax avoidance tactics ends up as more investment and propels our economy forward. Amazon is a prime example. The government taxes profits. Amazon instead of making a profit, reinvests the money into its business. Even when corporations do stock buy backs, it's not like most of the money goes to the investors to spend frivolously. Instead most of it just gets reinvested in different businesses that have…

There are things that Amazon needs done to continue to run it's business effectively. Roads need repaired, crime needs to be kept down to acceptable rates, trash needs to be removed, they need to be defended from foreign nations, etc. The need of the corporations of our nation means that everyone, including these companies that don't build their own roads and militaries are on "the government teat".

The idea that money is better in private hands than in the collective hands of government is a story that is oft repeated, but is far from proven. Arguably, studies I've seen of late show loss of efficiency and increased cost when privatized. This is a requirement for profit anyways.

Further, money spent by government has had massive effect on economic growth. Hoover dam made the much of the West livable, nasa still had massive scientific output, and welfare programs are incredibly effective.

Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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All these sorts of schemes are doomed to fail for the very simple reason that corporations are more agile than the law making process. Here's an easy plan to end tax avoidance: 1. Any company that sells more than $X/year to people living in the US needs to be registered in the US. 2. Flat tax with no exemptions (all corporations would be taxed like C-corps). 3. No more rules. A plan that won't work is one that adds e…

> Flat tax with no exemptions The difficulty with taxation is not calculating tax rates, that's simple, the difficulty is determining what is taxable income/profit.

Some sibling comment to oc seems pretty straightforward: the profit taxed is the profit reported to shareholders

Re: Warren Has a Good Beginning for Ending Corporate-Tax Avoidance

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So much of the tax avoidance tactics ends up as more investment and propels our economy forward. Amazon is a prime example. The government taxes profits. Amazon instead of making a profit, reinvests the money into its business. Even when corporations do stock buy backs, it's not like most of the money goes to the investors to spend frivolously. Instead most of it just gets reinvested in different businesses that have…

Sure, we should be encouraging reinvestment but how do you resolve the unfairness of companies that choose to reinvest themselves vs. pay out a dividend and allow investors to re-invest?

Amazon benefits from many government-funded programs: educated workforce, road & rail infrastructure, national defense, judicial contract-enforcement, etc.

Is it fair that a company that reinvests gets all that for free while a company that makes a profit pays substantially?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Flat tax with no exemptions The difficulty with taxation is not calculating tax rates, that's simple, the difficulty is determining what is taxable income/profit.

Some sibling comment to oc seems pretty straightforward: the profit taxed is the profit reported to shareholders

What would prevent a company from telling the shareholders they made no profit? Is there a separate process that prevents them from lying and is more difficult to manipulate than the current tax code?
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