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LeBron James school that was considered an experiment is showing promise

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Re: LeBron James school that was considered an experiment is showing promise

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Post by OscarCunningham »

eyeinthepyramid wrote: post #7
shhehebehdh wrote: post #6

I didn’t see anything about this in the article, so I ask here in the hopes that someone more knowledgeable can comment: how are they controlling for selection bias? Is there any way to select into or out of this school, or is it purely the standard districting system? Even if it’s the latter in many other places it’s still possible to move into the area. Do we know to what extent that has been happening? Edit: Oops,…

From the article: "I Promise students were among those identified by the district as performing in the 10th to 25th percentile on their second-grade assessments. They were then admitted through a lottery."

There will be some amount of regression to the mean then. It would be best to compare these kids to the students who "lost" the lottery rather to all students.

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Post by ThomPete »

InitialLastName wrote: post #14
ThomPete wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Money are not needed for parents to be engaged though.

Parents who don't need to work two jobs to support their children are necessary though.

Sure but that applies to any school and a lot more situations bo?

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Post by Consultant32452 »

icelancer wrote: post #11
shhehebehdh wrote: post #6

I didn’t see anything about this in the article, so I ask here in the hopes that someone more knowledgeable can comment: how are they controlling for selection bias? Is there any way to select into or out of this school, or is it purely the standard districting system? Even if it’s the latter in many other places it’s still possible to move into the area. Do we know to what extent that has been happening? Edit: Oops,…

There is selection bias for sure; except it works in the opposite way regarding successful outcomes. IPS takes low-performing individuals and puts them in a lottery system. This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids... but it should bear mention that IPS is not without controversy. The lottery system causes a lot of strife in eligible-but-unpicked i…

At least in my state charter schools must accept any student that can attend a regular public school, and there's a lottery for everyone.

Conversely, there's some charter schools specifically for kids with special needs. There's one in my city specifically for autistic kids.

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Post by mjevans »

matt4077 wrote: post #9
RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #4

This illustrates that parents are the key component in childhood education. A worse than average teacher who teaches kids with involved parents will outperform the best teacher with uninvolved parents. In addition, LeBron James has a huge amount of credibility built up with the students. I would guess that many of the students feel some sort of connection to him, and do not want to disappoint him.

I doubt there was ever much debate that parents are the single most important factor for children. It’s just that, from a policy perspective, it is extremely hard to actually have any impact on that behavior. It’s basically social work, a concept for which there is essentially no money at scale in the US.

It's interesting, because if we were actually battling a War on Poverty, we wouldn't need to have a war on drugs, or any other kind of crime.

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Post by aisengard »

Consultant32452 wrote: post #23
icelancer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is selection bias for sure; except it works in the opposite way regarding successful outcomes. IPS takes low-performing individuals and puts them in a lottery system. This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids... but it should bear mention that IPS is not without controversy. The lottery system causes a lot of strife in eligible-but-unpicked i…

At least in my state charter schools must accept any student that can attend a regular public school, and there's a lottery for everyone. Conversely, there's some charter schools specifically for kids with special needs. There's one in my city specifically for autistic kids.

It's nominally the law in my state too, but apparently it's fine to weed out the "non-performers" i.e. whoever you want. Public schools then have to take on the extra burden of the "undesirables".

https://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/30/nyregion/at-a-success-aca...

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Post by microcolonel »

icelancer wrote: post #11
shhehebehdh wrote: post #6

I didn’t see anything about this in the article, so I ask here in the hopes that someone more knowledgeable can comment: how are they controlling for selection bias? Is there any way to select into or out of this school, or is it purely the standard districting system? Even if it’s the latter in many other places it’s still possible to move into the area. Do we know to what extent that has been happening? Edit: Oops,…

There is selection bias for sure; except it works in the opposite way regarding successful outcomes. IPS takes low-performing individuals and puts them in a lottery system. This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids... but it should bear mention that IPS is not without controversy. The lottery system causes a lot of strife in eligible-but-unpicked i…

> This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids

This is illegal in a lot of places, and I doubt it is common.

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Post by b_tterc_p »

exabrial wrote: post #24

Amazing to see a privately funded school do so well, especially one that targets at risk children. I hope the lessons learned here inspire more private investment in education.

It’s mostly public, plus some private extras

Re: LeBron James school that was considered an experiment is showing promise

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Post by monocasa »

microcolonel wrote: post #28
icelancer wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is selection bias for sure; except it works in the opposite way regarding successful outcomes. IPS takes low-performing individuals and puts them in a lottery system. This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids... but it should bear mention that IPS is not without controversy. The lottery system causes a lot of strife in eligible-but-unpicked i…

> This differs from a charter school or other alternative schools that skirt responsibility of special needs kids This is illegal in a lot of places, and I doubt it is common.

It was very common in my charter high school. For whatever reason they weren't concerned with the drop out rate, so they openly encouraged special needs kids to drop out.

They had previously encouraged them to go to the alternative school, but budget cuts shut that school down.

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