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How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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That's a sure sign you are watching ravens, not crows. Ravens can play together in the air in ways crows never do.

Ravens are apparently one of the smartest animals.[1] [1] https://news.nationalgeographic.com/2017/07/ravens-problem-s...

Also crows:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cbSu2PXOTOc

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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Have you ever exchanged a look with a stranger and their expression was such that you immediately got a deep impression of their inner life, of their humanity, and felt a connection? That happened to me with a raven, while we were both enjoying a stunning view of a sunset at Petrified Forest National Park. It was a large, old, rumpled, wise seeming creature. Surely that environment primed me for the experience. The m…

Scott Alexander has a good post on bird intelligence here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/25/neurons-and-intelligen... Though they have much smaller brains, there is evidence to suggest that their brains are 10x more computationally dense.

Recently finished an interesting survey of bird intelligence (speech, navigation, social order, etc.): https://www.jenniferackermanauthor.com/genius-ofbirds

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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Crazy to see this posted today. Last night my wife and I were on a reservation in Arizona and watching the birds. She googled this very topic. Then when I looked at HN today, here it is! I showed it to her and the first thing out of her mouth was, “Is Facebook listening to me?” Then I had to explain that HN is human-powered and the chances of Big G and Facebook and HN sharing data is pretty close to zero.

I visited the tower of london yesterday and bought a raven mug, talk about coincidences

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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This video of a crow repeatedly "skiing" down a roof changed my view of how animals play - I thought it was all "practice-fighting" but this crow seems to be playing "just for the fun of it". https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WupH8oyrAo

This is a hooded crow hammering / trying to kill what probably thinks is a prey. Seems more frustrated than happy. The easiest crow to identify in Europe, being gray and black.

How about these? When they roll on their backs down a snowy slope, are they playing?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h7GmYJnUtsY

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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This article pertains to North America. In Australia there is less distinction between crows and ravens. Australian crows/ravens are infamous for their loud and obnoxious call precisely timed to interrupt your afternoon nap!

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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I think the entire corvid family is fascinating. They are extremely intelligent. Some of them not only use tools but actually make tools: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corvidae#Intelligence

Corvids don’t just have the capacity for making and using tools but also metatool use, i.e., using one tool on another [0]. In this respect their cognition apparently exceeds many species of primates. [0] https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S096098220...

Including most humans...just saying

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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Have you ever exchanged a look with a stranger and their expression was such that you immediately got a deep impression of their inner life, of their humanity, and felt a connection? That happened to me with a raven, while we were both enjoying a stunning view of a sunset at Petrified Forest National Park. It was a large, old, rumpled, wise seeming creature. Surely that environment primed me for the experience. The m…

For me, it was watching them play for hours outside the office. Sometimes a pair would fly together for awhile, then one would dive at the other, who would flip over at the last instant. There was no reason for them to do this; they just had enough free time to screw around.

A few years back I was at lunch in the courtyard at work and a little, somewhat runtish crow kept coming up and standing right next to me. I eventually worked out that he was doing it because a bigger crow was harassing him, but he knew the bigger crow was afraid of me.

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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A bigger challenge is to differentiate a Northwestern Crow from an American Crow. > It is smaller than the American Crow and has a more nasal call, but it is so similar that the two may in fact be the same species. https://www.allaboutbirds.org/guide/Northwestern_Crow/overvi... I didn't even realize that my area had an apparently different crow than everywhere until I bought a birding book.

Actually, recent research indicates that these two species began differentiating themselves a long time ago, but their lineages have since converged: they now interbreed freely and there's no reliable way to tell the two species apart: https://twitter.com/dlslager/status/1072353359041085440 It's been really interesting to talk to birders I trust about this. The rough consensus is, most people think they're the same s…

Hm the story from the posted tweet makes sense to me. Damn that is really cool.

Re: How to tell a raven from a crow (2012)

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Scott Alexander has a good post on bird intelligence here: https://slatestarcodex.com/2019/03/25/neurons-and-intelligen... Though they have much smaller brains, there is evidence to suggest that their brains are 10x more computationally dense.

Birds are on a better process.

Maybe cooling is also a factor, so we are constrained by our brain's surface area.
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