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>When exactly are we supposed to be learning all these languages? Some argue that as a professional, you should be spending time outside of work learning to improve your career. You can't expect your employer to give you time to learn. I find it can be difficult though, especially when you want to spend your time outside of work on other things like family and hobbies.
I absolutely expect my employer to give me paid time to learn, and only work for those that do.
Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
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Re: Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
#72I don't think it's worth studying many programming languages just for the sake of doing so. It's very rare that you get to choose the language to use on a project. If your goal is to be a great software engineer, your professional development time would likely be better spent working on domain knowledge and skills complementary to coding such as communication and leadership.
Studying languages help you way more than just providing you one more choice for the language of the next project. That’s precisely what this blog post is about.
Re: Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
#73Frankly I've never understood the desire to be a polyglot. The time spent learning new syntax and a new standard library could have been spent learning libraries, algorithms, data structures, etc, so I don't think it's the most productive way to improve yourself as a programmer. I'm more interested in learning a new language because it lets me do something I couldn't do before.
I only got my current job because I happened to be reading a book on C#, which is strange because we barely code in C#. I spent several years programming in Elixir which got blank stares from recruiters. But saying I know Elixir and C# actually got me a pretty good gig! In an ideal world, knowing data structures and algorithms would get job interviews, but without being able to at least speak to some specifics of the…
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"Here are the languages and DSLs that ended up in the mix: cron, Makefile, bash, sed, regex, jq query, python, R, sql, nginx conf" And also anyone who could replace you will have to know all these languages. Nice approach to job security.
> cron, Makefile, bash, sed For a programmer with a minimal amount of linux experience, it likely takes a week to catch up to what the codebase is doing with these. > regex There are good tools to destructure regex. > python sql jq query I consider those as "given" or "learnable good enough in a week" > nginx conf Don't know this. Overall, "knowing all these languages" seems overblown in the choice of words for me. J…
I could learn Swift in a week but that doesn’t mean I would be a competent iOS developer.
Someone who knew Python couldn’t do anything useful with the type of automation that I do with Boto3 without knowing the intricacies of AWS.
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"Here are the languages and DSLs that ended up in the mix: cron, Makefile, bash, sed, regex, jq query, python, R, sql, nginx conf" And also anyone who could replace you will have to know all these languages. Nice approach to job security.
> cron, Makefile, bash, sed For a programmer with a minimal amount of linux experience, it likely takes a week to catch up to what the codebase is doing with these. > regex There are good tools to destructure regex. > python sql jq query I consider those as "given" or "learnable good enough in a week" > nginx conf Don't know this. Overall, "knowing all these languages" seems overblown in the choice of words for me. J…
Multi language solutions make sense with languages that specialise. So I'd never write in "Go and Java" for example, or "Clojure and C#" or some other pair of general purpose languages.
For me, Python usually ends up being the glue. But otherwise, I use a tonne of special purpose stuff. E.g:
AMPL
Prolog
R
Lua
SQL
sed/awk/grep/jq/etc
C++
Makefile DSL
cron DSL
Docker DSL
etc.
Re: Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
#76Re: Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
#77I learned many languages for years and I received a poor return on time investment. Later, I started learning AWS in depth and studying for certs. I now know way more than I previously did about networking, envelope encryption, messaging, infrastructure as code, pipelines, caching, CDN’s, networking protocols, load balancers, dns, and designing highly available and scalable systems. In summary, don’t forgo learning a…
Learn shell, a scripting language like Python, and a systems language like Java, C, Rust, Go, etc. I think that’s all you need to know as a backend or systems/DevOps Engineer.
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#78At this point I have almost 20 languages that I've used for at least two years, which is what I consider an decent bar for "knowing" a language. The problem I now have is that I don't know if I'll ever be able to master any language anymore. Mmmmaybe C, since I've used that fairly consistently, albeit on-and-off for 25 years. But whenever I get to an "if" or "for" or function declaration, I often have to look at an e…
C, {all kinds of assembly}, {C++, Java, C#}, {Python, Ruby}, {Haskell, OCaml}, Prolog, {VHDL, Verilog}
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I'm this way with foreign languages: Spanish and french. I know french very well, and learning/speaking Spanish is significantly harder because I'm always using french words by mistake. sure it'll get better with practice, but interlingual dyslexia is real.
Interesting, I feel like I have the opposite issue. Coming from Portuguese, learning Spanish was a breeze and I can usually surprise French speaking people with “hard” words in my basic French sentences — just because I reached out to a Portuguese word and “frenchyfied” it.
Portuguese and Japanese on the other hand...
Re: Learn more programming languages, even if you won't use them
#80C/C++/Rust/Ada on bare metal or systems work for building abstraction upwards from the hardware.
Clojure/Scheme/Common Lisp/Racket: A good dynamic language that's extremely composable, to build abstraction downward from human logic.
ML/F#/Haskell: Powerful type systems that can layer abstraction on abstraction.
I have no experience of the following, but I imagine at least cog and erlang belong to similarly mind-expanding buckets.