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Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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Am I the only one that finds it odd how people read and accept this capability without question, yet don't give the slightest thought to why super sophisticated Russian* state-sponsored Twitter trolls didn't bother to use a VPN to spoof their identities?

* So the media claims as a fact. Twitter itself has actually made no such claim of certainty that the "Russian trolls" are actually Russian, rather they've only said that the accounts are possibly linked, but good luck finding a news article or internet forum reader that will acknowledge this fact. This Wired article is about the only one I've come across that is truthful:

https://www.wired.com/story/how-americans-wound-up-on-twitte...

As an example of how sloppy and misleading (intentionally or not) this problem (of reporting allegations or suspicions as if they are fact) is, Wired itself made the very same mistake in an article linked from that one:

https://www.wired.com/story/congress-asks-tech-to-face-hard-...

While Facebook bore the brunt of Senators' questioning, Twitter revealed some staggering statistics about Russia's organic reach on its platform last year. In just two and a half months, Russian bot accounts tweeted 1.4 million times, yielding 288 million impressions. The fact that such coordinated campaigns went unchecked underscores the value Twitter has put on free speech.

"Russian bot accounts tweeted" is a statement of fact, but the actual fact is the accounts are only suspected of being Russian

Ironically, in the very same article, they go on to acknowledge the uncertainty involved:

Facebook and other platforms used their technological prowess during the campaign to identify malicious actors and advertisers that might be connected to foreign entities, but those tools can miss the mark.

One can hardly blame the technically unsophisticated general public from taking what it reads in respectable news outlets at face value, but it's rather depressing (or, extremely interesting, from a mass psychology/epistemological perspective, if you're more of a half glass full type of guy like me) that not only politicians but also technically sophisticated people seem to be no better in this particular case.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

#42

GPS is permanently jammed/spoofed around Kremlin. It is tough to drive there if you are not local.

No trying to advocate the devil, but

Kremlin is trianle-like shaped, there's river from one side with bridges at the ends (so it could be counted as a tunnel), Red Square from another (pedestrian only unless you're a member of Victory Parade, one-way streets aside), the third side is surrounded by Mokhovaya street which has 5 intersections with others and you can get to the one you'd want if you've skipped your turn.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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post #25

Wouldn't it be possible to mitigate some of the effect of these spoofers using on-board navigation system with an IMU? Or it least allow for it's detection?

The first acura nav systems were totally gps-free. They used gyros, compass, and speed data from the car, and managed to do pretty well. I imagine a similar system on top of gps and perhaps even cell/wifi/radio data to get near seamless coverage with civ tech.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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They have mobile jammers, when Putin visits some place GPS devices there start showing near airport instead of actual location.

One guy claims he found building with the jammer: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiy2Mt79M1c (device and process is described in [1], russian), he uses self-made “radar” [2].

[1]: https://habr.com/ru/post/337608/ [2]: https://habr.com/en/post/332746/

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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post #25

Wouldn't it be possible to mitigate some of the effect of these spoofers using on-board navigation system with an IMU? Or it least allow for it's detection?

I work in automotive telematics- You can always store 'last known location', the rest is math. The military has/will have this. However this is a non-issue at the moment for auto, and with 5G/autonomous coming out, GPS might be seeing its last useful days in my part.

Except that "store the last known location" logic breaks ferries, towing, and other movement of the car while it's off. You need an override, or some way of deciding that, yes, this new and different location is actually sane.

And in the case of a ferry, the user is expecting to have accurate location and nav instructions very quickly after key-on as they leave the port in the new place, so that mechanism needs to make its decision pretty fast.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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Time to update the odds that the two accidents involving navy destroyers in the Malaga straits, weren't ?

Mind you this does not automatically implicate Russia, just because one report calls them pioneers doesn't mean other countries don't posses the capability and China has more concrete issues with US naval presence there than Russia.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

#47

Time to update the odds that the two accidents involving navy destroyers in the Malaga straits, weren't ? Mind you this does not automatically implicate Russia, just because one report calls them pioneers doesn't mean other countries don't posses the capability and China has more concrete issues with US naval presence there than Russia.

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Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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post #25

Wouldn't it be possible to mitigate some of the effect of these spoofers using on-board navigation system with an IMU? Or it least allow for it's detection?

It depends on the quality of the IMU but yes. All US military systems use ultra-high precision IMUs and will only accept GPS corrections within the (classified) error margins of their inertial measurements. US military-grade IMUs lose precision very slowly, it is an area where they have a huge technology lead over everyone else so (ironically) they are less dependent on GPS than anyone else that might use GPS. Access to state-of-the-art IMU technology is very strictly controlled by the US.

GPS was created in part to allow the US to measure the world precisely enough in peacetime that they have an accurate model to feed their IMUs in wartime. It was never designed to be a robust navigation system even though everyone commonly uses it that way.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

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Am I the only one that finds it odd how people read and accept this capability without question, yet don't give the slightest thought to why super sophisticated Russian* state-sponsored Twitter trolls didn't bother to use a VPN to spoof their identities? * So the media claims as a fact. Twitter itself has actually made no such claim of certainty that the "Russian trolls" are actually Russian, rather they've only said…

>people read and accept this capability without question

These days most negative statements about Russia are accepted at face value.

Re: Report deems Russia a pioneer in GPS spoofing attacks

#50

Time to update the odds that the two accidents involving navy destroyers in the Malaga straits, weren't ? Mind you this does not automatically implicate Russia, just because one report calls them pioneers doesn't mean other countries don't posses the capability and China has more concrete issues with US naval presence there than Russia.

Yeah, all those military ships having accidents with civilian ships does seem a bit weird, eh?
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