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VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by sitkack »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #57
jlawson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy. Life is full of slippery slopes in terms of behavior.

The fallacy is to assume, without evidence, that the slope is slippery. There are plenty of slopes that aren't. Probably most, just you don't think about those because you know they aren't slippery already. For example, I slept in 'til 8:30 today. OMG, a slippery slope. Next thing you know, I'll be sleeping until 3PM. Til midnight! I will never wake up again. But as it happens, sleeping in isn't a slippery slope. I d…

This is exactly why I get up a minute earlier each day. As it is, I am waking up tomorrow at 4:39 AM. Mission accomplished.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by wongarsu »

jakear wrote: post #40
madprops wrote: post #18

Isn't the use of the vscode store extensions proprietary?

It is, but people try to get away with it by using a mistakenly committed config file from a few years back to argue that the URL’s are now MIT’d. The commit was quickly reverted, but they didn’t rewrite history to totally remove it, and now here we are.

That sounds like they legally released it under MIT. They legally can't just revoke a license grant, even completely unpublishing it by rewriting git history wouldn't solve that.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by steve_taylor »

enraged_camel wrote: post #56
colordrops wrote: post #46

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not a fallacy. When a printer driver reporting stats back to the manufacturer made national news in the early 2000s and prompted calls for laws regulating privacy, the argument was that it was a slippery slope fallacy to assert that privacy violations would get worse. Look at where we are now.

>>It's not a fallacy. By itself no, but it is often used fallaciously. Such as in this case, when someone is opposing some good thing on the basis that that good thing might, some day, lead to bad things.

Good things such as trackers ostensibly designed to deliver you relevant content?

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by steve_taylor »

dymk wrote: post #37
jlawson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy. Life is full of slippery slopes in terms of behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_... No, that still falls into fallacious usage. The user doesn't justify why the steps of their assertion follow after the other. Just that they... do.

No one needs to justify the "why" when we're talking about a very well trodden slippery slope.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by fxfan »

Are we still on with the FUD about telemetry?

It doesn't help anybody except probably the one guy who 'Showed Microsoft'.

Telemetry helps improve products and opt-out means the product company will miss out on the behavior of power users thereby not being able to optimize their software for their usage.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by iopq »

asdfasgasdgasdg wrote: post #57
jlawson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy. Life is full of slippery slopes in terms of behavior.

The fallacy is to assume, without evidence, that the slope is slippery. There are plenty of slopes that aren't. Probably most, just you don't think about those because you know they aren't slippery already. For example, I slept in 'til 8:30 today. OMG, a slippery slope. Next thing you know, I'll be sleeping until 3PM. Til midnight! I will never wake up again. But as it happens, sleeping in isn't a slippery slope. I d…

Umm, it's slippery for me. I haven't had a stable sleeping schedule for over ten years. Send help.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by enraged_camel »

steve_taylor wrote: post #73
enraged_camel wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>It's not a fallacy. By itself no, but it is often used fallaciously. Such as in this case, when someone is opposing some good thing on the basis that that good thing might, some day, lead to bad things.

Good things such as trackers ostensibly designed to deliver you relevant content?

No, good things such as telemetry and automated error reporting so that bugs can be fixed effectively and efficiently and everyone is better off for it.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by mixmastamyk »

dymk wrote: post #37
jlawson wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Slippery slope" is not a fallacy. Life is full of slippery slopes in terms of behavior.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slippery_slope#Non-fallacious_... No, that still falls into fallacious usage. The user doesn't justify why the steps of their assertion follow after the other. Just that they... do.

Overwhelming empirical data across history.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by paavoova »

fxfan wrote: post #75

Are we still on with the FUD about telemetry? It doesn't help anybody except probably the one guy who 'Showed Microsoft'. Telemetry helps improve products and opt-out means the product company will miss out on the behavior of power users thereby not being able to optimize their software for their usage.

> Telemetry helps improve products and opt-out

Did you mean to write "opt-in", or are you suggesting it's OK for software to refuse the choice to opt out of data tracking? "Power users" simply do not use such software or block connections via firewall.

Re: VSCodium – An Open Source Visual Studio Code Without Trackers

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Post by fxfan »

paavoova wrote: post #79
fxfan wrote: post #75

Are we still on with the FUD about telemetry? It doesn't help anybody except probably the one guy who 'Showed Microsoft'. Telemetry helps improve products and opt-out means the product company will miss out on the behavior of power users thereby not being able to optimize their software for their usage.

> Telemetry helps improve products and opt-out Did you mean to write "opt-in", or are you suggesting it's OK for software to refuse the choice to opt out of data tracking? "Power users" simply do not use such software or block connections via firewall.

Please don't spread FUD. Tracking makes it sound like I'm being followed. This is collecting usage-data.
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