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YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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The Trending page has been listing the same people over and over and over again for the last 3 years. It's shameful, pathetic, and makes the platform feel extremely biased.

Seriously though. This is unacceptable and overly controlled. Not to mention that those people over the last 3 years post borderline brainwash content without any connection to a real audience.

It's pretty sad to see YouTube turn into something like this.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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post #25

Please just give us the ability to blacklist channels. That’d increase usability by 10x for me.

AFAIK you can do that? Hit the menu on a video recommendation, "Not Interested" -> "Tell Us Why" -> "I'm not interested in this channel".

IMO, though, blacklisting has been mostly proven to be insufficient. If you block, say, noted chud Sargon of Akkad, that doesn't mean that another half-dozen "Rationalist" "Thinkers" Who Just Happen To Be Chuds won't be recommended to you as well.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it a dystopian nightmare for Youtube to curate its content according to "quality", but it wasn't a dystopian nightmare for Youtube to curate its content to maximize engagement for ad revenue?

People can agree on the definition of 'ad revenue'.

And perhaps more importantly revenue can come from anybody regardless of views - money has no smell. “Quality” will easily turn into “whatever the site maintainers or majority consider good”.

This being said I pretty much agree that so far no big tech company found the recipe for properly and “fairly” curating content.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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> Creating the right metric for success could help marginalize videos that are inappropriate, or popular among small but active communities with extreme views. So, deplatform what's not mainstream, accepted by the establishment, favorable to Google...

I would actually be glad if some of the more extreme and irresponsible opinions are deplatformed. It cant be argued that Youtube is expected to platform all range of opinions. There is however a strong likelihood of this being exploited by Youtube for its own purposes.

>I would actually be glad if some of the more extreme and irresponsible opinions are deplatformed

As long as they are ones your culture doesn't share, and/or you happen to disagree with.

Which, of course, will make them "objectively" extreme and irresponsible.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

#55

Frankly, I hope YouTube (and Google in general) dramatically overdo it with the censorship, "curation", and deplatforming of "irresponsible" content, purely so that it forces an independent, non-corporate model to be developed. Having one company be the sole gatekeeper for the overwhelming majority of the web's video content is not a solution.

the accelerationist model of web centralisation. It depends on how much of the populace actually cares, or if YouTube draws most of its revenue from casual viewers watching trending videos that are not likely to fall foul of these practices.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

#56

On a side note, the creators of YouTube ought to [at least informally] unionize. There's no reason Adam Neely should be getting copyright "strikes" for explaining music to the masses, or Cody's Lab should be forced to take down videos on mining with explosives [on his family's ranch]. YouTube needs to have a hotline for problem solving for their most profitable content providers, and until the creators collectively h…

As a tangent to your tangent, seeing a name like Adam Neely, whose videos I've been watching all week, even though I know nothing about jazz or playing music, really strikes me as the magic of YouTube. It's being able to watch talents you'd never normally be interested in, but who prove to be genuinely entertaining, even if you don't know what a quarter note from a crotchet, and it's amazing to realize these people are gaining fame in such a huge market, despite being incredibly niche.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is it a dystopian nightmare for Youtube to curate its content according to "quality", but it wasn't a dystopian nightmare for Youtube to curate its content to maximize engagement for ad revenue?

both are pretty bad options. Better to let users curate and allow popularity to dictate visibility, surely?

User curation and popularity are, arguably, just as much forms of censorship as any other, although a "trusted user" curation system similar to Steam might be interesting. The only truly unbiased system would be random.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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I like the intention, and I hope to see more of this... but it's kind of hard to imagine that the end goal here is "Responsibility", when the business goal is "how many ads can we sell?"

Valid concern, at the same time as users.... most aren't willing to pay. So I guess we get what we pay for.

Re: YouTube is trying to reward “quality” content

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post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

both are pretty bad options. Better to let users curate and allow popularity to dictate visibility, surely?

User curation and popularity are, arguably, just as much forms of censorship as any other, although a "trusted user" curation system similar to Steam might be interesting. The only truly unbiased system would be random.

that only really holds if you consider "not promoting" to be a form of censorship - at the end of the day, as long as they're not actively hiding content that YouTube finds to not be "quality" (while still being reasonable content), it can still be found by someone looking for the subject. I don't see an issue with that - there will always be limited space for "promoted" content.
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