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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by smokeyj »

UweSchmidt wrote: post #324
empath75 wrote: post #304

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I think Obama and Bush really badly mishandled both Snowden and Assange. Heavy handed responses to both of them drove them into the arms of Russia. I don’t think either of them were Russian assets when they started.

How should it have been "handled" in your opinion? 'Protect the whistleblower' or take out the 'threat to national interests'?

> or take out the 'threat to national interests'?

Isn't that what we did in Iraq, blindly listen to the IC? Ha, that was an A++ operation. All those lives lost - for absolutely nothing. I mean sure there was "Iraqi democracy" but where did the WMD's go? The solution being proposed is to literally kill the messenger. It's a two-party induced cognitive dissonance where you would rather be lied to than have your political affiliation be embarrassed.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by meshenna »

freyir wrote: post #786
collyw wrote: post #748

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Is there a country who's citizens don't think their government is corrupt?

The Nordic countries, New Zealand, Switzerland and Singapore are perceived as least corrupt by experts and in opinion polls. Do the citizens agree?

I'm Finnish. Almost everyone I know has lost all confidence in the political system years ago.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by yitchelle »

freyir wrote: post #786
collyw wrote: post #748

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Is there a country who's citizens don't think their government is corrupt?

The Nordic countries, New Zealand, Switzerland and Singapore are perceived as least corrupt by experts and in opinion polls. Do the citizens agree?

One of my Singaporean friends mentioned that the population is quite content with their government, they are enjoying the countries prosperity and the country is peaceful. He said, "Why change a working system?"

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by rchaud »

d0ugie wrote: post #678
agotterer wrote: post #610

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It looks like the US is charging him with conspiracy to hack a government computer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/worl...

Whenever the government Al Capones someone, which ought to be a verb, it's a reminder to me that due to a legislative and prosecutorial discretion excesses combined with politics that those of us who aren't 100% squeaky clean are unjustly vulnerable to judicial creativity run amuck. If you've got a Snowden or an Assange you want to lock up with all keys thrown away, stick to charges along the lines of espionage etc;…

Things like "charges" and "due process" are a luxury for the thousands who were kidnapped, imprisoned and tortured by past US administrations.

People like Assange are fortunate to have visibility and nationality that they do. He at least is getting charged for a crime he hasn't really even denied. Thousands of others have lost their freedom and their lives because they were at the wrong place at the wrong time.

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

dlp211 wrote: post #896
snvzz wrote: post #758

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Sweden's laws on "sexual misconduct" are extremely backwards. Do not quote me on this, but I recall it was something along the lines of "he touched me while I was asleep after we had sex".

No. He put himself inside her without a condom after an consensual agreement was made that he would use a condom.

This was a dickish thing to do on his part (although far form rape). I think that the seven years he spent at the embassy are enough of a punishment. The only thing that I believe would be fair to have is monetary compensation to the victims.

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Post by mikeyouse »

School-Cotton wrote: post #915
mikeyouse wrote: post #815

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Of course, happy to take it via DM and I'd be glad to report back without any identifying information.

HN doesn’t have a DM feature.

If OP was interested, I'd provide a twitter/reddit/signal/messenger or whatever for DMing. Or just an email address. I meant it as more of a euphemism for private communication.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by AnaniasAnanas »

AnaniasAnanas wrote: post #48

The "moral" course of events would be for him to receive a fair trial in the UK or Sweden concerning the rape and possibly the contempt of court charges. The "immoral" course of evens would be if he was extradited to the US or some other country, receive an unfair trial, or having to defend against other charges.

And apparently they selected the immoral option.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

cparsons3000 wrote: post #833

Looks like Assange was attempting to destabilize Ecuador's govt while in the embassy (at least that's what they claim). “Ecuador’s Interior Minister María Paula Romo says Julian Assange's asylum was revoked because there was sufficient evidence that he was meddling in Ecuador's internal affairs in an effort to destabilize the government. Romo also reiterated President Lenin Moreno's remarks that Assange was consisten…

The supposed meddling in the internal affairs of a government is these INA papers which are embarrassing for Ecuador’s govt. But there’s no evidence that he or Wikileaks have anything to do with these INA leaks. https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar...

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Post by Synaesthesia »

chx wrote: post #873
dontbenebby wrote: post #855

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> There are a number of things connecting Assange to Russia. His own OkCupid listed that he loved everything Russian (except the food) long before the 2016 election: https://mashable.com/2010/12/13/julian-assange-okcupid/ That being said, while he's a piece of shit we need to be careful we don't erode press freedoms we've had for a very long time just because we really don't like one jerk.

And what if a Russian agent disrupting USA elections masquerades as a journalist?

If you’re releasing factual information about the DNC that’s doing the US a service and what a journalist should do.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Synaesthesia »

fixermark wrote: post #320

I honestly don't know what assange or wikileaks thought was going to happen when they leaked information that was politically embarrassing to an Ecuadorian ally. On the plus side, I'm now far more convinced of WikiLeaks' non-partisanship (or naivete), since they threw their own founder under the bus.

They say they had nothing to do with the INA leaks. https://defend.wikileaks.org/2019/04/03/ecuador-twists-embar...

Julian didn’t have internet access so I don’t see how he could have done it.

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