I find these clauses distasteful. What of a requirement that performers be all-white? If we are going to judge people on their merits and form an international community of humanity free of racist restrictions, we go all in.
Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
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Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#22Earlier quoted context omitted.
Gershwin was american. I assume his kids/estate is american. So this involved a contract between a European opera company and US persons regarding a work protected by US copyright law. They could probably file in a US court and a court may well determine that the US is the better place the hear the case. (When between a person and a corporation, US court tend side with the person's location on issues of jurisdiction.…
> work protected by US copyright law. Only within the US jurisdiction. US law does not superpose or replace the laws of other jurisdictions.
I said the work was protected by US copyright law, not that US copyright law would necessarily be used in the case. That the opera is a US work can be relevant to jurisdiction rather than the case in chief.
Copyright would probably not be an issue. This looks like a simple contract dispute, a debate re whether one party is abiding a term in a licensing agreement.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#23I find these clauses distasteful. What of a requirement that performers be all-white? If we are going to judge people on their merits and form an international community of humanity free of racist restrictions, we go all in.
I wonder if they could just treat this clause as non-existent since in Hungarian law racial discrimination is illegal and binding agreements can't contain illegal clauses.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#24"I won't lie but I'm fine with saying meaningless things." - atheist agreeing to become a godfather.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#25Earlier quoted context omitted.
The line between the two terms is blurry, but race is certainly not strictly about skin color. Here is the definition of race in my computer's dictionary: > Each of the major divisions of humankind, having distinct physical characteristics. Then, further down: > a group of people sharing the same culture, history, language, etc.; an ethnic group
If you look up the definitions of those words using the 1828 dictionary, you get something very interesting. ETH'NICAL, adjective [Latin ethnicus; Gr. from nation from the root of G. heide, heath, woods, whence heathen. See Heathen.] Heathen; pagan; pertaining to the gentiles or nations not converted to christianity; opposed to Jewish and Christian. ETH'NIC, noun A heathen; a pagan. RACE, noun [Latin radix and radius…
Which is more complicated by the US concept of an "american race", something that isn't even seen as racial in term of skin color. It is used to draw a line between those descendants of the stock "real" Americans.
To quote the TV Show American Dad's theme song "Shining a salute to the American race." ... a line I thought would be very controversial but just isn't.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
> work protected by US copyright law. Only within the US jurisdiction. US law does not superpose or replace the laws of other jurisdictions.
I said the work was protected by US copyright law, not that US copyright law would necessarily be used in the case. That the opera is a US work can be relevant to jurisdiction rather than the case in chief. Copyright would probably not be an issue. This looks like a simple contract dispute, a debate re whether one party is abiding a term in a licensing agreement.
Are people obliged to abide by an obviously racially discriminatory contract under EU law?
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#27Context: Hungary is under the rule of Viktor Orbán, a nasty piece of work who has impoverished his people, run constant anti-Semitic campaigns and harasses any cultural organization including universities that don't follow his culture-war line.
Why is your political rant on HN? Plenty of other places to air opinionated views.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you look up the definitions of those words using the 1828 dictionary, you get something very interesting. ETH'NICAL, adjective [Latin ethnicus; Gr. from nation from the root of G. heide, heath, woods, whence heathen. See Heathen.] Heathen; pagan; pertaining to the gentiles or nations not converted to christianity; opposed to Jewish and Christian. ETH'NIC, noun A heathen; a pagan. RACE, noun [Latin radix and radius…
Which is more complicated by the US concept of an "american race", something that isn't even seen as racial in term of skin color. It is used to draw a line between those descendants of the stock "real" Americans. To quote the TV Show American Dad's theme song "Shining a salute to the American race." ... a line I thought would be very controversial but just isn't.
FWIW, I have never encountered the concept of the "American race". Are you sure it's actually a thing? To me the line from American Dad's theme song seems like a joke (since America has many races).
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#29Earlier quoted context omitted.
Which is more complicated by the US concept of an "american race", something that isn't even seen as racial in term of skin color. It is used to draw a line between those descendants of the stock "real" Americans. To quote the TV Show American Dad's theme song "Shining a salute to the American race." ... a line I thought would be very controversial but just isn't.
FWIW, I have never encountered the concept of the "American race". Are you sure it's actually a thing? To me the line from American Dad's theme song seems like a joke (since America has many races).
According to Webster's 1828 dictionary
AMER'ICAN, noun A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America.
Re: Hungarian opera singers declaring themselves African-American
#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
FWIW, I have never encountered the concept of the "American race". Are you sure it's actually a thing? To me the line from American Dad's theme song seems like a joke (since America has many races).
According to Webster's 1828 dictionary AMER'ICAN, noun A native of America; originally applied to the aboriginals, or copper-colored races, found here by the Europeans; but now applied to the descendants of Europeans born in America.
That's nice, but:
1. It's a definition for the word 'American', not the phrase 'American race'.
2. It's from 1828. I don't think usage from 190 years ago is very relevant. Language changes pretty quickly.
3. That does not match what OP was talking about. They were talking about a further distinction within white Americans. Unless I'm mistaken.