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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Very sad day. Remember this all started with the leak of the "Collateral murder" video. That's when the Interpol notice went out, and he had to seek asylum at the embassy. It was already quite disgusting how powerful entities were able to seemingly fabricate sexual charges as needed. Later on he made very influential enemies by exposing corruption in the democratic political party. Instead of any follow up on that fr…

Something like that wouldn't fly in Germany for example.

LMAO. Literally laughed out loud. Yeah, no way this could happen in Germany /s.

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Tell that to Julius and Ethel Rosenberg. We've executed for sharing secret documents before, and may again.

The Rosenbergs were executed for treason, not just sharing some secret documents. They actively spied for an adversary of the United States, recruited other spies, and stole some of the United States' most powerful secrets. The gravity of what Assange and Manning did doesn't compare to what the Rosenbergs did, which is why Manning didn't get a life sentence or death penalty, and why Assange won't either. Only way Ass…

Rosenburgs were not convicted for treason, but espionage.

The judge convicting them worked along with the prosecutor on the bar to make sure that they got a clean cut, and more easily prosecutable charge of _espionage_ instead of original treason. But yes, his ultimate reason was his personal insecurity about seeing his fellow Jewish American giving the public even more reason to doubt the loyalty of Jewish Americans (given how all things were at the time...)

Excerpt from wiki.

> Kaufman is best remembered as the judge who presided over the espionage trial of Julius and Ethel Rosenberg and imposed their controversial death sentences. Roy Cohn, one of the prosecutors in the case, claimed in his autobiography that his influence led to Kaufman's being appointed to the case, and that Kaufman had imposed the death penalty on Cohn's personal advice. This claim has not been verified, although it has been shown that after Kaufman learned that the FBI and Justice Department opposed death penalties in the case, he asked the prosecution to withhold its recommendation before issuing his death sentence. In his summing up Judge Irving Kaufman was considered by many to have been highly subjective: "Judge Kaufman tied the crimes the Rosenbergs were being accused of to their ideas and the fact that they were sympathetic to the Soviet Union. He stated that they had given the atomic bomb to the Russians, which had triggered Communist aggression in Korea resulting in over 50,000 American casualties. He added that, because of their treason, the Soviet Union was threatening America with an atomic attack and this made it necessary for the United States to spend enormous amounts of money to build underground bomb shelters." [5] Kaufman said that he had gone to synagogue to pray before issuing his death sentence; this enraged Supreme Court justice Felix Frankfurter, who later wrote to judge Learned Hand, "I despise a judge who feels God told him to impose a death sentence," and also told Hand that he was "mean enough" to stay on the court long enough to prevent Kaufman from having a chance to take Frankfurter's place in the so-called "Jewish seat" on the Court.[4][6]

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Is there a country who's citizens don't think their government is corrupt?

The Nordic countries, New Zealand, Switzerland and Singapore are perceived as least corrupt by experts and in opinion polls. Do the citizens agree?

I'm Swiss and agree.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Very sad day. Remember this all started with the leak of the "Collateral murder" video. That's when the Interpol notice went out, and he had to seek asylum at the embassy. It was already quite disgusting how powerful entities were able to seemingly fabricate sexual charges as needed. Later on he made very influential enemies by exposing corruption in the democratic political party. Instead of any follow up on that fr…

Give me a break. This guy was a useful idiot who if he didn’t start as a tool of the FSB, became one. The idolization of this guy on web forums is like the college kids of the 90s wearing Che Guevara T-shirt’s.

Che Guevara killed many people. He was a warlord. Assange uncovered a vast amount of actual crimes. Criminals were held accountable through his leaks. Your comparison is complete nonsense.

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Why were the charges ridiculous?

Sweden's laws on "sexual misconduct" are extremely backwards. Do not quote me on this, but I recall it was something along the lines of "he touched me while I was asleep after we had sex".

No. He put himself inside her without a condom after an consensual agreement was made that he would use a condom.

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It's a "done deal", he WILL be extradited. https://www.exaronews.com/julian-assange-to-be-extradited-wi...

Was 7 years self-imprisonment in an embassy worth it? I'd like to know how.

Isn't that a very utilitaristic view of an extremely political and morally charged topic?

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The police were arresting him for skipping bail - that's not a political asylum issue.

The police were arresting him to extradite him to the US. https://www.theguardian.com/media/live/2019/apr/11/wikileaks... > Scotland Yard has confirmed that Assange was arrested on behalf of the US after receiving a request for his extradition.

That was a further arrest, after he was in custody. This is relatively common in the UK.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

It looks like the US is charging him with conspiracy to hack a government computer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/worl...

“Assange is charged with conspiracy to commit computer intrusion and is presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. If convicted, he faces a maximum penalty of five years in prison. Actual sentences for federal crimes are typically less than the maximum penalties. A federal district court judge will determine any sentence after taking into account the U.S. Sentencing Guidelines and other statutory factors.”

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This is why "breaking" news confuses as much as it informs. Has he been arrested for skipping bail on a UK court warrant? Yes. Has he been arrested on a US indictment for extradition? Also yes. These are two separate arrests. It just happens that one was once he was already at a police station. http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-arrest-of-julian-assan... Edit: apparently the Swedish extradition is spinning up as w…

What confused me most is that he was arrested twice. It seems non-nonsensical to arrest him a second time (rather than simply charge him), given that he was already in police custody. Does this signify something meaningful, such as a change of which legal basis the arrest is under, and thus a change to the rights he has?

That's because arresting someone isn't so much a matter of their physical custody as initiation of a legal process involving an assertion of custody. Think of it like process serving in civil cases, where it's easy to imagine multiple lawsuits proceeding in parallel.
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