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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by dragonwriter »

monocasa wrote: post #590
akhilcacharya wrote: post #564

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wikileaks even sold anti-Hillary merchandise on their website.

Hillary had "joked" about droning Assange before.

Pretty much every major Republican figure and many non-Hillary Democrats openly, publicly called for him to be treated as an unlawful enemy combatant and either killed or detained in the same manner as Taliban/al-Qaeda fighters seized on the battlefield. Even if the supposed comment whose only source seems to be Wikipedia itself actually occurred, Hillary would still be one of the more moderate American public figures on the issue of WikiLeaks and Assange outside of Trump's open praise during the 2016 campaign.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by paul7986 »

panarky wrote: post #746
madez wrote: post #466

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For those who prefer the original source: http://news.met.police.uk/news/update-arrest-of-julian-assan...

The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

Looks like Snowden deleted the tweet is he next or url was bad?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Traster »

DavidVoid wrote: post #89
Traster wrote: post #10

Well, this certainly makes some of us look a bit stupid after criticizing him for crying wolf a few days ago.

He was wanted by British police for jumping bail, why wouldn't they arrest him?

It's not that the police wouldn't arrest him if they could. It's just that he repeatedly claimed he was getting kicked out of the embassy and it didn't happen... until now.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by criley2 »

dang wrote: post #731
criley2 wrote: post #594

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The truth doesn't require them to believe in it. Their support for Russian Military intellience operations including Wikileaks is support for an authoritaritarian war against Europe and US with the goal of overthrowing our liberal democracies. I understand that the anarcho-hacker types hate all governments and have been tricked through cheap propaganda into thinking Wikileaks is a non-nation-state actor that is on th…

Would you please stop using HN for ideological and nationalistic battle? It's not what this site is for. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Interesting that you did not post this critical comment on the parent I replied to, who began the ideological and nationalistic battle.

I would hazard a guess that you agree with his ideology and euro-nationalism and disagree with mine, so when he BEGAN this discussion, you had nothing to say, but when I defend the liberal democracies of the west against attack and invasion, THEN it becomes a problem.

Just an interesting observation as to WHICH ideology you chose to chastise (the one replying) and which you did not (the genesis of the discussion).

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by ataturk »

fixermark wrote: post #755
panarky wrote: post #746

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The actual indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/press-release/file/1153481... Snowden: The weakness of the US charge against Assange is shocking. The allegation he tried (and failed?) to help crack a password during their world-famous reporting has been public for nearly a decade: it is the count Obama's DOJ refused to charge, saying it endangered journalism. https://twitter.com/Snowden/status/11163365508733…

If Assange gets extradited on a charge that the previous administration wouldn't push but the administration his organization assisted in getting elected is willing to (because they don't care about such a paltry thing as "endangering the protections provided to freedom of the press by the US Constitution"), it will be the highest of ironies.

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by monocasa »

dragonwriter wrote: post #861
monocasa wrote: post #590

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hillary had "joked" about droning Assange before.

Pretty much every major Republican figure and many non-Hillary Democrats openly, publicly called for him to be treated as an unlawful enemy combatant and either killed or detained in the same manner as Taliban/al-Qaeda fighters seized on the battlefield. Even if the supposed comment whose only source seems to be Wikipedia itself actually occurred, Hillary would still be one of the more moderate American public figure…

Those people weren't secretary of state at the time, ie. one of the people that can in fact authorize drone strikes.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by cyphar »

SEJeff wrote: post #858
isostatic wrote: post #185

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He was before he ran to the embassy, skipping bail, on the pretext that if the UK extradited him to Sweden, Sweden would extradite him to the U.S. That's an invalid pretext.

And his pretext was also that he'd face the death penalty in the US, which is a bit absurd. Chelsea Manning was his co-conspirator and look what she got. She didn't get a death sentence, she got government funded gender reassignment surgery, 35 years which Obama commuted down to 7 years, and contempt of court for refusing a direct court order to appear. Not great, but neither is leaking droves of classified informati…

She was also tortured[1]. So there's that.

[1]: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2012/mar/12/bradley-mannin...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by cyphar »

steve19 wrote: post #783
ShorsHammer wrote: post #753

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When has that complicated anything? Being a dual citizen is a huge benefit everywhere on Earth. For anyone with enough resources and time I'd encourage collecting citizenships like they were Pokemon.

Because usually you are treated as being a citizen of the country whose passport you are travelling on. If you flew to China and were arrested of a crime, you are much better off having used your US passport than the Malta passport you purchased, or worse, the Sudanese passport you bribed an official for.

> Because usually you are treated as being a citizen of the country whose passport you are travelling on.

By your host country maybe (though I don't agree it's as cut-and-dry as that), but your home country will still treat you as a citizen regardless of your other citizenship statuses (except in the case you are a citizen of your host country). So they should still give you the same aid they'd give any other citizen -- and in some cases the UK has actually helped UK citizens flee a country even though they are a citizen of said country (examples include forced marriages of dual Iran/UK citizens in Iran).

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by torkins »

d0ugie wrote: post #678
agotterer wrote: post #610

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It looks like the US is charging him with conspiracy to hack a government computer. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/worl...

Whenever the government Al Capones someone, which ought to be a verb, it's a reminder to me that due to a legislative and prosecutorial discretion excesses combined with politics that those of us who aren't 100% squeaky clean are unjustly vulnerable to judicial creativity run amuck. If you've got a Snowden or an Assange you want to lock up with all keys thrown away, stick to charges along the lines of espionage etc;…

The alternative to prosecutorial discretion is 100% enforcement of all crimes big and small. In either situation, the government would go after these people for their small crimes so the outcome for the targets you're mentioning is the same. Also, Capone was convicted by a jury on evading (in 2019 dollars) millions in taxes, so 'small' is relative only to massive corruption scheme and murdering he wasn't convicted on.
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