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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by SXX »

ShorsHammer wrote: post #753
becauseiam wrote: post #375

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He is a dual national now, which only complicates any attempt, Australia's connection with Five-eyes and other military and political arrangements aside.

When has that complicated anything? Being a dual citizen is a huge benefit everywhere on Earth. For anyone with enough resources and time I'd encourage collecting citizenships like they were Pokemon.

> For anyone with enough resources and time I'd encourage collecting citizenships like they were Pokemon.

Care to elaborate? What kind of benefits one could get out of it? There's tons of information on topic from biased sources like law firms, but very little otherwise.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Shivetya »

mc32 wrote: post #634
Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

Looks like the indictment is conspiracy with Manning. Manning was pardoned[1] by the Obama admin. Does that have any bearing on Assange’s case? [1] I’ve been corrected; her sentence was commuted.

the real question is, will his sentence be less, equal, or more?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by antidesitter »

spaced-out wrote: post #796
tingol wrote: post #216

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You are delusional. You talk about him like he's your creepy neighbor from the street. This guy messed with dangerous people for the sake of truth. He is being prosecuted by the most powerful country in the world with by far the most reach outside its own borders. All his trouble began after he leaked US butchery in Iraq. You think his self-imposed exile is an egotistical act instead of what it really is: Step outsid…

>This guy messed with dangerous people for the sake of truth. This guy colluded with racist sleeze-bags like Sean Hannity and Donald Trump Jr. to bring fascism back to the mainstream. Whatever fate awaits him is more than he deserves.

Can you explain what you mean? Sounds like hot air.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by microdrum »

zipwitch wrote: post #569
dragonwriter wrote: post #538

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> I think the criminal argument is that he was acting as a cutout for Russian intelligence with the dnc leaks. That may be a (relatively new) criminal argument, but there is also Manning plus 18 USC §2(a): “Whoever commits an offense against the United States or aids, abets, counsels, commands, induces or procures its commission , is punishable as a principal.” (emphasis added) Plus probably all kinds of stuff in bet…

You mean like, say, someone asking a foreign power to conduct a cyberattack on a US political party?

You are referring to what Hillary Clinton and Perkins Coie did via Fusion GPS? Yes, exactly.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by mikeyouse »

freedomben wrote: post #803
mikeyouse wrote: post #730

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It's very unlikely that the facts resemble anything like that. What's your friends name? I'll happily pay the Pacer fees to see what the charging document says.

Not OP, but if it were my friend (and if I was any kind of friend at all) I wouldn't be dropping his name on a publicly accessible forum so a ton of people can violate his privacy. Might be better to privately exchange the name and then update us with the results without revealing any identity.

Of course, happy to take it via DM and I'd be glad to report back without any identifying information.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by foldr »

monocasa wrote: post #785
foldr wrote: post #774

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So why didn't they just do that while he was in Sweden? Having him under arrest in Sweden would make it more difficult, not easier.

Because as of leaving Sweden, they had only released the Collateral Murder video. The Iraq War documents and Cablegate happened while he was in the UK.

But then (according to the conspiracy theory) they could have engineered false rape accusations in any country that Assange had previously visited -- and that's a long list. It seems unlikely that Sweden would be at the top of the list. It seems far more likely that he just so happens to have raped a woman in Sweden while visiting.

On top of that, it would have been impossible to abduct him while he was in Police custody in Sweden without causing a major international incident.

Frankly, I'm losing track of all the different conspiracy theories. Some people are saying that the rape allegations were necessary to discredit him prior to extradition, because the US was super sensitive to public opinion. Others (like you) are saying that the US was so insensitive to public opinion that they planned to have him abducted and/or murdered extrajudicially. All of this crap is completely made up.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by pzone »

mcguire wrote: post #697
dagmx wrote: post #683

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WikiLeaks released the personal information of my colleagues and myself. So much for sticking it to the man, when we have to live the rest of our lives with the risk of identity fraud just because they're dicks.

When and why did they release your personal information?

Without knowing OP, it could have been a large number of things. Wikileaks publishes whatever it gets its hands on and has no scruples for safety or decency of what they post. The only "why" is to make headlines and stir people up.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by spaced-out »

no1youknowz wrote: post #9

I wonder if the WikiLeaks "Dead Man's Switch" will be triggered this time? I know there were some news articles in the last couple of years of this being the case...

The entire concept of a dead man's switch doesn't even make sense when you think about it.

Say you have some embarrassing docs about the CIA/military and you threaten to release them automatically if you're killed. Have you considered that there are plenty of people in the world who would want that to happen? People with lots of money and their own highly trained murderers?

Russia, China, Venezuela, Cuba, Iran, North Korea, possibly Mexico or Columbia (considering the shit the CIA's pulled there). Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if some US government agency, rich dude, or corporation murders you for some weird internal power struggle.

Who's going to protect you? The CIA/military? The very organization that couldn't prevent its documents from getting stolen? How can you be certain they haven't shifted damage-control planning?

The idea of a "dead man's switch" plays into the conspiratorial black-and-white view of the world where there's a single, unified cabal. Reality is more complex.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by __s »

collyw wrote: post #748
IntelMiner wrote: post #418

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Australia is run by a bunch of corrupt neoliberal oligarchs burning the place to the ground on the way out the door They have "better" things to do than worry about some "peasant". Like their six figure pensions and lobbying deals

Is there a country who's citizens don't think their government is corrupt?

As a Canadian I think the government is corrupt, but not dysfunctionally so

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by whamlastxmas »

sigi45 wrote: post #793
whamlastxmas wrote: post #745

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Agreed, sounds like the friend agreed to sell 100 tabs. Whether or not you actually sell them doesn't matter, I think making the offer to an agent is probably illegal in the same way it's illegal to offer to murder someone for money.

I can't imagine that this is a true story. Which country is throwing someone into jail for 1,5 years for offering to sell someone lsd?

Given a long enough criminal history, people go to jail for much longer for much less in the US
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