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It's Time to Panic About Privacy

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Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

#22

Pretty shitty to have absolutely zero keyboard interactivity on that page. Tabbing gets you … the NYT homepage, a bunch of YouTube videos — which you can't even see on the screen — and a "privacy project" link of some sort.

I was able to navigate using the arrow keys.

Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

#24
This kinda feels like worrying about how the telephone would allow people to spread rumors and damaging information about each faster and further. Or perhaps discriminate against a potential job applicant based on their voice, instead only getting to see a letter.

This feels like a non-tech person has realized what tech people realized 20 years ago. Technology makes everything we do faster and more efficient even if those things are bad. What they don't propose is any general statement of the problem or any type of solution.

Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

#25

I didn't get much out of that, but the very last page says "This column is part of The Privacy Project, a series from The New York Times Opinion." which does seem much more useful and has a bunch more: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/opinion/internet-pr... And yes, The Privacy Project has a bunch of trackers on it.

Thank you for linking to that page.

As far as the trackers, is it really that surprising? Any news site advocating for privacy, while much of their business relies on tracking their users so they can keep them "engaged".

Almost as ironic as anytime Google says anything about Privacy

Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

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post #6

I wonder if there's an interesting essay behind that interface. I'll never know.

There's not. I use w3m, so there was no annoyance other than a very lightweight argument and a call for panic. Panic does not make for good public policy.

Don't panic.

Text follows:

Privacy is a thing we all say we want. You get mad when it’s invaded or mishandled. Say, when Equifax leaks your credit info, when your nudes show up on 4chan or when your health data is held ransom. But privacy is also something a lot of people are happy to trade away at a moment’s notice, for the slightest reward. We claim to want it, companies claim to provide it, neither side is really being entirely honest about the trade, and we all just kind of accept that… You don’t have any privacy online. But the latest innovations in tech are elevating questions of privacy into much larger social, moral, political and economic issues. Consider digital home security cameras, a key part of your “smart home.” Privacy-wise, they don’t seem especially novel. You want to be alerted when a “bad guy” comes to your door, but not when your neighbor walks by. So you get a camera that scans and remembers faces. Very convenient! But what do you do when it spots someone — wink, wink — “suspicious”? What happens when concerned neighbors start sharing these faces on the neighborhood social network? What if law enforcement gets in on the act? Maybe every new face is checked against sex-offender databases, or maybe Immigration and Customs Enforcement. Is that O.K.? Ring, one of the biggest doorbell-cam companies, already has a creepy neighborhood watch social network. It has filed a patent for creating a “database of suspicious persons.” Wait, that’s crazy. You don’t want to profile people. You just want peace of mind that your family is safe. You like these cameras because you can get alerted when your kids come home, and watch your dog from afar. Isn’t that cute? But where’s all that data going? Can your abusive spouse get it? Your internet company? The smart home is becoming a treasure trove of the most intimate data about your life — and there are few controls over it. Domestic abusers are already using smart-home devices to spy on their victims. And even if they don’t literally watch your videos, Congress passed rules in 2017 that allow broadband companies to track your digital data, including smart-home data. O.K., you didn’t sign up for all that. You’re really just worried about package thieves! Isn’t it your right to monitor your front door to make sure your toilet paper isn’t getting stolen? Sure, but have you ever considered the privacy of the workers delivering your toilet paper? Thanks to doorbell cameras, delivery drivers can be watched and tracked on the job. Is that O.K.? Of course, it’s about more than doorbells. Each time you buy some new device or service that trades in private information — your DNA, your location, your online activity — you are gambling on an uncertain and unprotected future. Here is the stark truth: We in the West are building a surveillance state no less totalitarian than the one the Chinese government is rigging up. But while China is doing it through government … … we are doing it through corporations and consumer products, in the absence of any real regulation that recognizes the stakes at hand. It is time to start caring about the mess of digital privacy. In fact, it’s time to panic.

Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

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post #25

I didn't get much out of that, but the very last page says "This column is part of The Privacy Project, a series from The New York Times Opinion." which does seem much more useful and has a bunch more: https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2019/opinion/internet-pr... And yes, The Privacy Project has a bunch of trackers on it.

Thank you for linking to that page. As far as the trackers, is it really that surprising? Any news site advocating for privacy, while much of their business relies on tracking their users so they can keep them "engaged". Almost as ironic as anytime Google says anything about Privacy

>> As far as the trackers, is it really that surprising?

Nope, not surprising. I'd bet the people that wrote the articles aren't the same people that put the trackers on the pages or sell the ads or do budgets and so on. It would've been nice of someone there to say "Hey maybe we shouldn't pile on the ad stuff in this area". Though, maybe someone tried and couldn't convince the boss.

Re: It's Time to Panic About Privacy

#30

This makes a pretty anodyne set of talking points around privacy and wraps it in the web version of a PowerPoint. In text form, this would barely qualify as a blog. On a more general point these articles really should do more to balance the privacy constraints against the benefits. Google is not just 'a free service', it is all of the world's knowledge, plus mapping, plus email, plus god knows what else all completel…

web version of a PowerPoint

It felt more GeoCities to me. But yeah, this isn't the Times' best moment.

Some of the paper's interactive pieces are really well done, and innovative. This... wasn't.

Maybe that's because it came from the Opinion section, not one of the news sections.

Maybe that's why when I get the paper the first section that goes in the recycling bin is Opinion.

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