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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

Yeah 'never' is a long time.

He's used up. His masters don't need him anymore, except as an 'example' that 'law and order prevails.'

It's a joke.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #561

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Or could say USA tried all the dirty tricks

They tried the more complicated route before they tried the simple route? Assange was in the UK for approximately two years before he went into the embassy.

Months? Years! He left Sweden in September 2010; he surrendered himself to the police in December 2010 and was bailed; in May 2012 the Supreme Court dismissed his appeal; in June 2012 he entered the embassy.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?

First Amendment protections are not extended to non-US citizens.

Empirical evidence suggests this is not the case:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/danielfisher/2017/01/30/does-th...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Those rape cases are exactly part of what the comment you're responding to is talking about.

The important part is running away from them. Wasn’t that in 2010 already? Dodging the court is shady.

When you Leak classified international documents, you tend to distrust the courts.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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The fact that material existed in the first place is solely the fault of the candidate.

Firstly, there is not one campaign that's existed since 2000 that won't have had atleast a few campaign staffers with embarrassing emails. Secondly, the issue isn't only about the clear co-ordination with a hostile foreign state, it's that rather than abiding by Assange's own claimed values, he kept the data private and then leaked it over a political campaign to try and cause political damage. That's nothing to do w…

Although somewhat tangential the conspiracy charges prove his suspicion they were trying to get him extradited (contrary the coy responses from the admin). Given that as well as the half joking “drone him” joke, it’s not hard to imagine why he might have a bias.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #541

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You mean the "he removed his condom during consensual intercourse without her knowing or him telling her" rape...

Yes, that's rape in Sweden, and some other sex crime in all other civilized countries. Dismissing this act reflects poorly upon you, though.

Honest question, as I'm not familiar with swedish law. If a man consents to have sex with a woman that claims to be taking birth control pills and later he finds out she really wasn't, can she be accused of rape?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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>The end result is that it is becoming harder to trust any statement, not really what we want either. This is a tactic in itself. I can't find the details behind it, but the act of so much misinformation at once that helps drowned out more factual news while simultaneously making it so that you don't believe what you're reading. It's not a new tactic, but it's well used.

Ironically, it's a famous Russian propaganda tactic that is in heavy use in Russian propaganda and the subsequently nearly identical Wikileaks propaganda that follows. This tactic played heavily with Russia's troll farms on Twitter, Facebook, Reddit, etc. It also played heavily in Wikileaks propaganda on twitter and other platforms. For me to be accused of the exact evil that Wikileaks uses to manipulate its readers…

So you make some wild claims about some brooding evil in the east, then when asked to provide evidence you just ignore the requests and insinuate the requester is a fascist agitator instead?

Have you ever considered a career in the Democratic Party?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #553

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Why? It refers to policies, not the nation. "death to the US's policies" simply doesn't sound very catchy.

The word "death" has a very well defined meaning and pairing it to America conveys a significance which I find disturbing. Moreover, the fact that you built the frase in such an ambiguous way, led me to think that you did it on purpose. In everybody's interest I politely invite you not to play this game, thank you

"Death to Americans" would be disturbing, "Death to America" simply isn't. There isn't any credible disturbing interpretation here, if someone meant Americans instead of America then they would use that word.

In fact, even if I was calling for death to the nation, it'd still be a stretch to interpret that as calling for the death of Americans.

Death to any countries attempting to imprison journos.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #541

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Yes, that's rape in Sweden, and some other sex crime in all other civilized countries. Dismissing this act reflects poorly upon you, though.

Honest question, as I'm not familiar with swedish law. If a man consents to have sex with a woman that claims to be taking birth control pills and later he finds out she really wasn't, can she be accused of rape?

Not familiar, either, but probably not.

The issue isn't birth control (alone), but foremost corporeal autonomy (the woman didn't want him to have "naked" sex, while in your example the man wanted to) and to a lesser extent the health risk.

So not taking the pill is not even close to the question of sleeping without a condom.

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