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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

Those rape cases are exactly part of what the comment you're responding to is talking about.

The important part is running away from them. Wasn’t that in 2010 already? Dodging the court is shady.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Any possible relation to the arrest of Assange? IMF board approves $4.2 bln financing deal with Ecuador March 11 (Reuters) - The International Monetary Fund’s executive board approved the $4.2 billion financing deal with Ecuador https://www.reuters.com/article/ecuador-imf/imf-board-approv...

That article is a month old——so, unlikely.

You know real life politics doesn't move as fast as you see on TV right?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

Regarding #1, there is no law in the US criminal code against publishing classified information. It's certainly illegal for a journalist to actively steal classified information, or conspire with others to do so, but just publishing is fine. Under some circumstances a journalist can be forced to appear in court and reveal his sources. And if he refuses to answer he can be held in contempt.

He is being charged with "conspiracy to commit computer intrusion for agreeing to break a password to a classified U.S. government computer", not anything to do with publishing classified information. https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

So guilty until proven innocent. Got it.

i didn't say anything about guilt. i was replying to the post above me asking about why some have turned against him.

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- By everything I've read of his behaviour, even before he became famous, the accusations seemed to be very much his style - The specifics, i. e. secretly removing the condom, seem to invite all sorts of "that's not rape" opinions, making them a rather bad choice compared to stereotypical violent rape. - The supposed CIA connection of the accuser is a laughable 10-degrees-of-Kevin-Bacon connection involving her atten…

This is incredibly ill-informed, or very carefully constructed disinformation, and I'm uncomfortable that I can't tel the difference. For example: there were many illegal, suggestions of illegal, and offensive things in those, and related, email leaks, for supporters and detractors of HRC. > If you're intent to discredit Assange among his fanbase, which is largely young, male, and online: isn't rape actually the wors…

The fact that you can't seem to name one of those "many illegal things" is quite uncomfortable as well. Is your comment carefully constructed disinformation?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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From your link: Guardian journalist, David Leigh, claimed that Julian Assange initially refused to redact the names of informants.[62] In his book, co-authored with Luke Harding, WikiLeaks: Inside Julian Assange's War on Secrecy, Leigh claimed Assange to have said in relation to whether the names should be redacted, "Well, they're informants. So, if they get killed, they've got it coming to them. They deserve it."[63…

He hasn't strongly denied it. He said in 2011 that he would sue them for reporting the quote. He hasn't. Anyone can say "it's not true" on twitter. I don't call that a strong denial. In any case, the names of informants were published. He did it. That's all you need to know about the man.

The link you provided refers to a New Statesman article about a debate held to discuss the effect of whistleblowing. I quote the relevant passage from the New Statesman article:

Murray didn't back down, moving on to make reference to the Guardian's claim that Assange "didn't care" about Afghan informants who were identified as a result of the release of the war logs.

Assange hit back: "Point of order! We are in the process of suing the Guardian . . ." After a bit of back and forth about libel laws – Assange said he has campaigned for their reform, but that people should have recourse when allegations are made against them – Murray drawled: "I think I'll take from that that Mr Assange thinks libel law is good when he's using it."

I cannot see where Assange said '"it's not true" on twitter', as you report, but in any case it seems clear that he didn't just make some off-hand remark on a social medium, as you seem to suggest.

In any case, I don't see why using twitter as a platform would reduce the validity of such a statement. There's a difference between tweeting to your followers you're going vegan and claiming you're suing the Guardian for libel.

>> In any case, the names of informants were published. He did it. That's all you need to know about the man.

To be frank, I don't much care about statements that start with "that's all you need to know". I usually prefer to chose for myself how much I need to know of anything.

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> From my reading anyway, Assange crossed a line, perhaps not realising that what he was doing To me, this points to the fact that there are likely many transgressions of all kinds that each person in the civilized world commits. Those are unlikely to lead to anything beyond an occasional minor fine, but the government prosecutors can use those as ammunition for future cases totally unrelated to original offense. Thi…

Agreed. Essentially, someone in Assange's situation should be extremely careful, to the point of paranoia, to not get into any sort of trouble with the law because even a minor transgression (though the sexual assault allegations were not minor) could become an opportunity for a much more severe treatment than usual.

Case in point the Defense Distributed guy who got caught having done business with an underage hooker (as if people check their hooker's ID) and that was the end of him.

Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cody_Wilson#Sexual_assault_cha...

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #366

Earlier quoted context omitted.

wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

Even if Russia leaked the emails (not certain as the media would have you believe at all, not saying it’s conspiracy but It’s not conclusive), the information regarding massive corruption in the DNC was true, and that information being public is 1) good and 2) important.

what "massive corruption" are you referring to?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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And be prepared for the 180 degree turn in the liberal circles when the Republicans try to get him executed. With friends like the Democrats do progressives really need enemies?

According to the article, the crime for which he'd be extradited has a maximum penalty of five years in prison, not death.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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post #585

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You're basing this on what? St. Mueller has finished his investigation, and precisely no one will be going to prison for "Russian election meddling". If they didn't do this horrible thing (that is entirely protected by 1A), then how could anyone have helped them do this horrible thing?

Ummmm Mueller indicted many Russian nationals.

Which means nada in terms of Assange and also none of them will see a courtroom.
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