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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by tokai »

ben_w wrote: post #529
belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

The ease by which the US can extradite him from the UK is precisely why I thought poorly of the claim that he felt his life was endangered by going to Sweden .

Sweden has a history of bending over backwards for the US. Such as the illegal arrests monocasa references, the raids on the pirate bay, and changing their laws on US recommendation.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by jefe_ »

narrator wrote: post #18

I wonder if this has to do with the upcoming DECLAS. Seems that would be coming up soon given what Barr has just testified.

This was my first thought as well, think there are 2 possibilities:

1. The Mueller report presents uncomfortable yet legal, coordination with WikiLeaks, in which case extraditing and prosecuting Assange would allow administration to distance itself and present any coordination as incidental.

2. Assange releases were cited in FISA requests. If intelligence agencies had an established assessment on Assange's ties to Russia, and requests were authorized with elements contradicting those assessments, it could raise eyebrows. It seems firmly establishing presence or lack of Russian backing, along with sources would bring clarity to several matters.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Marcus316 »

tomstockmail wrote: post #517
rocqua wrote: post #492

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly, either side of this argument feels like attempts at manipulation to me. The end result is that it is becoming harder to trust any statement, not really what we want either.

>The end result is that it is becoming harder to trust any statement, not really what we want either. This is a tactic in itself. I can't find the details behind it, but the act of so much misinformation at once that helps drowned out more factual news while simultaneously making it so that you don't believe what you're reading. It's not a new tactic, but it's well used.

I think you may be referring to Gish Gallop:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gish_gallop

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by belorn »

ben_w wrote: post #529
belorn wrote: post #487

I would like to locate all HN comments which said he never would get arrested on behalf of the US, and that Assange objections was all just pretense for trying to escape justice from the UK/Swedish legal system.

The ease by which the US can extradite him from the UK is precisely why I thought poorly of the claim that he felt his life was endangered by going to Sweden .

The scenario was that he would get extradited to Sweden, the case finds him not guilty, and then get extradited to the US. Assange tried to get the Swedish government to openly declare that this would not occur, and the Government replied that they could not make such statement. The argument generally comes that once existing legal proceeding are done, the agreement between Sweden and the US allow for extradition.

This exact same chain of events will now likely happen with the UK case. Once the case of the bail jump is finished and eventual punishment served, he will be shipped to the US.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by ceejayoz »

rndgermandude wrote: post #545
Tomte wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, that's rape in Sweden, and some other sex crime in all other civilized countries. Dismissing this act reflects poorly upon you, though.

I am not dismissing it, it is still a crime, but I won't consider it rape, same as I will not consider unwanted groping to be rape but still criminal behavior. Also, it was investigated twice, charges dropped twice. It was taken seriously.

If someone consents to sex with specific requirements like "you must wear a condom", and they secretly violate those requirements, how is that not non-consensual?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by kmlx »

kmlx wrote: post #366
shrewduser wrote: post #286

I just want to know, from the people who seemed to have turned against Assange, how do you know it's not a concerted disinformation / propaganda campaign to remove all his credibility and reduce public support? By my reckoning It's really hard to know what to even believe about a guy who might credibly be targeted by that.

wikileaks/Assange during the recent US presidential elections. that’s what did it for me. even now, knowing what we now about Russian interference, they still have the “Hillary Clinton email archive” proudly displayed on their homepage. also, there are those rape cases for which he ran away. shady stuff.

let's not forget about this gem: https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/the-sec...

The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks The transparency organization asked the president’s son for his cooperation—in sharing its work, in contesting the results of the election, and in arranging for Julian Assange to be Australia’s ambassador to the United States.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Navarr »

johnnycab wrote: post #339
Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

>It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. Scotland Yard has confirmed that Assange was arrested on behalf of the US after receiving a request for his extradition. https://www.theguardian.com/media/live/2019/apr/11/wikileaks... Edit: Indictment: https://www.justice.gov/usao-edva/pr/wikileaks-founder-charg...

"5 years."

Isn't he facing 10 years in UK for fleeing on bail?

Does US extradite him, trial him, (jail him?) and then ship him off to the UK to serve his time there?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by AsyncAwait »

foldr wrote: post #560
rndgermandude wrote: post #539

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was in Sweden at the time. The UK couldn't have extradited him from Sweden to the US. Not saying that the Swedish charges were all manufactured, just following your hypothesis.

Ok, you'll have to explain the plan to me. How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him? Assange was traveling between lots of countries at the time. It's not as if he was permanently based in Sweden. And Assange being accused of a crime in Sweden does not in any way make it easier for the US to extradite him from Sweden on other charges. edit : Also, the usual conspiracy story was t…

> How does having Assange accused of rape in Sweden help the US to extradite him?

Simple, character assassination is a very effective tool to silence public outrage.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by Loughla »

gonvaled wrote: post #368
__s wrote: post #334

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Read up on the Geneva Conventions. War is brutal, yes, but at the end it's a conflict between state powers & while violence is necessary to force the issue, a line must be drawn. See the use of economic sanctions as a method to compel without direct violence. There's enough power between parties which agree to the Geneva Conventions so that if one party is not agreeing to those terms, additional resources can be tapp…

The US is simply out of control.

Look into our history of military and economic 'interventions' post WW2.

This is not a new development. We have been the least bad of the bad actors for years, or at least had the least bad intentions for our allies.

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Post by agotterer »

Mvandenbergh wrote: post #91

It will be interesting to see if the US tries to extradite him. It's actually not 100% clear that he's broken any US laws in any ways that they aren't also routinely broken by newspapers. There's a few avenues: 1) Publishing classified information. Easy to show that he did this but a very difficult path to go down when American newspapers do this all the time. 2) Conspiracy to commit espionage. Probably the most like…

It looks like the US is charging him with conspiracy to hack a government computer.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nytimes.com/2019/04/11/worl...

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