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Julian Assange arrested in London

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Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by FireBeyond »

philliphaydon wrote: post #352
threeseed wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From all accounts it's to do with Assange's behaviour. Helping to elect Trump and being an annoying guest is not something that helps people like you.

Why do people keep saying that he helped elect trump. Because he exposed lies and corruption of another candidate? Are people still bitter and upset at the 2016 elections?

While sitting on lies and corruption of the Trump campaign? "Both sides do wrong, let's report on one side only" doesn't negate the fact that the Democrats had problems, but don't act like there wasn't any more motivation.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by YeGoblynQueenne »

thanatropism wrote: post #377
YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #353

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>> It was already quite disgusting how powerful entities were able to seemingly fabricate sexual charges as needed. The sexual charges really don't look fabricated or to have had any political motive at all. The wikipedia article on the allegations ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Julian_Assange#Swedish_sexual_... ) makes it clear that the charges were dropped after Assange was initially questioned by the police, then…

Wait, I know about the top-down reopening of the case, but do we know for a fact that the original accusations were kosher, or is this just presumption of innocence for the girls? (I mean, presumption of innocence is important and too often [the word escapes me... only imperfectly/partially given to] would-be sex offenders. On the grounds that we are judging some random girls it should apply; OTOH on the grounds that…

These were grown women, not girls. Presumption of innocence is granted to the accused, not the accuser, who is not him or herself accused.

Is there any reason to assume that the original allegations were somehow "not kosher"?

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by rndgermandude »

icebraining wrote: post #393
rndgermandude wrote: post #135

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He has been a citizen of Ecuador since 2017. This was an extradition.

Being a citizen is not relevant to whether it's an extradition. "Extradition is an act where one jurisdiction delivers a person accused or convicted of committing a crime in another jurisdiction". The Ecuadorian embassy doesn't have its own jurisdiction.

They framed it as merely revoking his asylum at which point the UK arrested him. You cannot revoke asylum of your own citizens. Foreign nationals seek asylum.

There are quite a few legal differences between extraditing somebody and just letting an arrest happen.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by stavros »

dao- wrote: post #294
dijit wrote: post #224

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"UK has no sovereignty!" "UK must resist" "Resist this attempt by the Trump administration" and something else when he's in the van which I can't make out with people talking over it.

> "Resist this attempt by the Trump administration" Funny. Trump has said he loves WikiLeaks, and likely has no interest in Assange getting extradited to the US.

I have found very little correlation between the things Trump says and the things he does, or even the things he says later.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by ryanlol »

J_cst wrote: post #384
ryanlol wrote: post #282

I just donated $2000 to the WL defense fund. You should also consider supporting their efforts to destroy the western political establishment. The defense fund is operated by the Courage Foundation which has an excellent track record with similar cases such as that of Lauri Love. https://www.blockchain.com/btc/address/39o6E2qascmB5rNwFtJU6... https://defend.wikileaks.org/donate/ Death to America

Your latest sentence is really sad and in my opinion should be edited and removed.

Why? It refers to policies, not the nation.

"death to the US's policies" simply doesn't sound very catchy.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by OlleTO »

tabs_masterrace wrote: post #326

Very sad day. Remember this all started with the leak of the "Collateral murder" video. That's when the Interpol notice went out, and he had to seek asylum at the embassy. It was already quite disgusting how powerful entities were able to seemingly fabricate sexual charges as needed. Later on he made very influential enemies by exposing corruption in the democratic political party. Instead of any follow up on that fr…

This is patently false.

The collateral damage video was published on April 5, 2010. Assange entered the Ecuadorian embassy on 19th June 2012. The Interpol warrant for his arrest is dated 30 November, 2010.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by FireBeyond »

malms wrote: post #27
peteretep wrote: post #19

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> to a country in which they would be in likely danger of persecution based on "race, religion, nationality, membership of a particular social group or political opinion" Which, precisely, of these categories do you think he fits under here?

membership of a particular social group or political opinion

Assange is in danger of "persecution" based on his avoidance of the judicial process. That's not a protected class.

Re: Julian Assange arrested in London

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Post by fixermark »

discordance wrote: post #254

Despite Julian's character or the surrounding controversies, let's not forget the positive impact Wikileaks made with contributions like Collateral murder [0]. 0: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/July_12,_2007,_Baghdad_airst...

Or the release of the Vatican letters.
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