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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

It's $35k USD without tax in the United States.

Apple also advertises iPhone as a $1000 phone, but the cheapest is like $2500 in Brazil. Not Apple's fault.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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There are a lot of conversations about road trips in a Tesla. I have a Model S and have done a few. I honestly believe that is indeed an increased hassle to stop for Supercharging every few hours. I have done it a few times, and these days mostly take my ICE vehicle for long road trips. But, having said, my long road trips (> 250miles) are once in every 3-4 months. And my daily driving is, well, daily. And this where…

Would it be possible to put a gasoline generator in the trunk (vented of course) and wire it into the charging system to increase the range?

As long as it emits pure sine wave. There’s forum posts everywhere talking about this.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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If you had an escape, it wouldn't be lane splitting. Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. The innermost vehicles move inward to have more distance from the outermost vehicles. The resulting space is physically too small for your body. There is no escape. You go crunc…

>Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. This might be part of the disconnect here. You aren't "sitting" next to cars, you are passing them. If you aren't actively passing cars, you aren't splitting and should get in your own lane. A rule of thumb is that you should be…

Your "safe lane splitting scenario" is compatible with my scenario, the one where you get squished flat. It's also not OK to snap off my mirror or gouge a groove in my paint.

I'm not "drifting into another lane". I'm using the space that is rightfully mine. No, I'm not going to signal. I'm not leaving my lane. The whole lane is mine; it is my safety margin.

If a truck on my right gets closer, then I will move left, and suddenly the space to the left of me becomes zero. If the vehicle on my left (not counting you) does likewise, then he isn't leaving you any room either. The gap closes to zero. You die.

You also aren't leaving room for actual emergencies, in which case I may swerve over the line. If you are in the proper position, there will be 4 to 6 feet of safety margin, or double that if you also swerve.

You claim that your behavior is safe, but there is a good reason that 98% of the states in the USA do not support it. You can lane split in Bangalore... and the insane road fatality rate tells the story of how well that works. There are more than 10 times as many deaths per vehicle in India as there are in the USA. Besides the hazard to yourself, you are causing distraction and stress to the other drivers. You may cause a crash and not even know it.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

Having just done a 1000 mile (1600km) road trip through Oregon, it wasn't really that big of a hassle. I told my car where I wanted to go, the tesla routing software put down pins on where to charge and told me how long to charge. That was it. If anything, planning for gas stops is much more of a burden, because usually as you are driving, once you get to ~1/4 full you are thinking to yourself "Ok, where can I stop t…

I had this exact problem in my gas-powered rental car recently, driving between Vegas and LA. The gas stations along the 15 were hectic, and I was planning to turn off onto a more scenic route which, I imagined, would have low-key, low-traffic gas stations. Surprise--there wasn't a gas station for over 100 miles! Double surprise--there was no cell reception either!

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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I love your "The recent trend of ideologically motivated downvoting of factual arguments [...]" and then downvoting on ideological grounds with "+754%" right out "How to Lie with Statistics". Looking at the graph in the article shows the whole picture.

> then downvoting on ideological grounds I downvoted a clearly factually wrong statement, namely that "all preorders were delivered in one month". The "754%" were a direct quote, source above, that indicates clearly that March wasn't the first (and only) month with increased sales due to the Model 3. Individual sales figures for the Model 3 were not available to me, otherwise I would have posted them (my estimate is…

The "all preorders" was a generalization for "the peak of a steep Gauss curve was in one month". At least that was my explanation. What would be yours? Most people in Switzerland suddenly bought Model3s instead of VM Golfs in February?

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If you stay overnight, any power outlet will be good enough to charge your EV.

Unfortunately, it's not true. On a standard (US) home outlet (120volts), you charge a Model 3 at about 5 miles of range per hour. So, if I get home from dinner after work at 8:00pm, and have to leave for the office at 7:00am the next morning, my car only adds about 55 miles worth of charge. As an example, I went for a longer drive on Saturday, and it took 37 hours to charge at home (right through Monday morning.) (I…

It’s something like 7-8 miles on European grid (for Model S), I.e. still not enough.

What is fine is if you stay in a hotel for one day or more.

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If you're on a motorcycle in stop-and-go traffic, just keep it in second gear and lane split. Even if it's not legal. If you're in clogged traffic, They can't get you, and you'll see the fuzz before they see you since you'll be overtaking.

That isn't about the fuzz. People who live in States/Cities (everywhere but CA, right?) where lane splitting is illegal aren't used to lane splitting. They aren't sitting in their cars watching out for bikers and they'll make abrupt lane changes without even looking for you. That's incredibly dangerous. I moved from FL (lane splitting is illegal but people seem used to it) to TX (no splitting) and doing that is a dea…

Anyone riding a motorcycle who is simply blindly counting on other drivers to see them, follow all the rules of the road carefully, and never do anything unexpected, is not going to last long. Everything motorcyclists do has to be done in such a way that it will still be safe even if the other cars around them are all but actively malicious. Fortunately, motorcycles are extremely agile, quick, and small, so it's easy for the attentive, cautious rider to anticipate and avoid most hazards. The trick is just managing to always be sufficiently attentive and cautious.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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>Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. This might be part of the disconnect here. You aren't "sitting" next to cars, you are passing them. If you aren't actively passing cars, you aren't splitting and should get in your own lane. A rule of thumb is that you should be…

Your "safe lane splitting scenario" is compatible with my scenario, the one where you get squished flat. It's also not OK to snap off my mirror or gouge a groove in my paint. I'm not "drifting into another lane". I'm using the space that is rightfully mine. No, I'm not going to signal. I'm not leaving my lane. The whole lane is mine; it is my safety margin. If a truck on my right gets closer, then I will move left, a…

You responded to a very educational comment with this. You should apply your comments to the other user’s decision-making process. Either one or both of the cars in your example will be giving hints that the gap will close, let alone the trucks. If the motorcyclist is behind you, he will see that something’s wrong. If he’s starting to pass, he will brake. If he’s in the middle of the pass, he will clear before the gap closes. In very unusual circumstances, you will be forced into the other car by some sudden circumstances and the motorcyclist might get caught, but you should know from driving much of your life how likely this is, and some aggregated data is also available.

Your other example about arbitrarily using the edge of the lane would be even easier to detect using his framework.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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This article is plain wrong. The original NZZ (Neue Zürcher Zeitung) article, which is linked in this article, says nowhere that the Tesla Model 3 was the best selling car in March. The Model 3 was only the fourth best selling car in March. You can find the original data here: https://www.auto.swiss/statistiken/autoverkaeufe-nach-modell...

According to the data the Škoda Octavia was sold nearly two times as much as the Model 3. It must be said, however, that the Model 3 is the best-selling electric car.

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