The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
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Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#2The most dangerous placebo. Please never allow yourself, or your loved ones to be subject to this. You have power within yourself.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#3The most dangerous placebo. Please never allow yourself, or your loved ones to be subject to this. You have power within yourself.
Your comment is dangerous and irresponsible. This is not the 40’s, ECT is not used lightly; it is the treatment of last resort for severe depression when lifestyle changes, medication and therapy have all failed. The side effects are well-understood and patients who choose ECT do so because the alternative is unbearable.
What you are saying cashes out to the claim that depression can be overcome with sheer positivity and willpower, which is a view I really thought society had gotten over. Please post more responsibly.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#4The most dangerous placebo. Please never allow yourself, or your loved ones to be subject to this. You have power within yourself.
Your comment is dangerous and irresponsible. This is not the 40’s, ECT is not used lightly; it is the treatment of last resort for severe depression when lifestyle changes, medication and therapy have all failed. The side effects are well-understood and patients who choose ECT do so because the alternative is unbearable. What you are saying cashes out to the claim that depression can be overcome with sheer positivity…
Thank you. I've seen the effects of severe depression first hand. It's not a matter of just needing to smile more, it's a serious medical condition that requires professional intervention.
To anyone reading this, if you think you're depressed, please seek out a qualified talk therapist (CBT has been shown to be effective in treating depression) and a qualified physiatrist for medication.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#5The most dangerous placebo. Please never allow yourself, or your loved ones to be subject to this. You have power within yourself.
Your comment is dangerous and irresponsible. This is not the 40’s, ECT is not used lightly; it is the treatment of last resort for severe depression when lifestyle changes, medication and therapy have all failed. The side effects are well-understood and patients who choose ECT do so because the alternative is unbearable. What you are saying cashes out to the claim that depression can be overcome with sheer positivity…
Sorry but there are dozens of studies and hundreds of reports of people basically losing memories of entire portions of their life and the ability to do simple things like tie their shoelaces or do simple math after just one round of ECT. How this is still not banned by the FDA is beyond me.
Not to mention the number of people who get heart complications from it or outright die during the procedure.
How can you say that "the alternative is unbearable"is beyond me, unless you're saying it's better to become mentally disabled than suffer from depression?
The argument that "this is not the same ECT" is also bogus. The difference is now they paralyze you so you don't convulse and break your bones while doing it. They also use a higher voltage (more damaging to brain cells) and higher frequencies with shorter, repeated bursts (also causes more brain damage and hemorrhaging). But it's "better" because the patient doesn't thrash around so much anymore. Give me a break.
Summary of the issues with ECT and associated studies: https://truthaboutect.org/ect-causes-brain-damage-a-review-o...
http://emord.com/blawg/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/1-ECT-Citi...
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#6The most dangerous placebo. Please never allow yourself, or your loved ones to be subject to this. You have power within yourself.
Your comment is dangerous and irresponsible. This is not the 40’s, ECT is not used lightly; it is the treatment of last resort for severe depression when lifestyle changes, medication and therapy have all failed. The side effects are well-understood and patients who choose ECT do so because the alternative is unbearable. What you are saying cashes out to the claim that depression can be overcome with sheer positivity…
Not particularly last resort. And apparently there is a large line-up in the system for people to get this therapy. They claim that there is a lot of efficacy... but apparently for many the symptoms return over time.
The author of the article concludes: "Despite the discomfort and the temporary memory loss it caused, I would have ECT again without hesitation."
Much of psychiatry to me seems like an infant mad science but some of the stuff does have efficacy and if it's going to marginally improve the lives of people who can no longer exist normally in the world, then that's possibly the lesser of two evils.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#7The ECT industry is on par with the Purdue Pharmas of the world, they've lied about the terrible side effects of ECT, neglected to report to the FDA the side effects patients have experienced, and generally engaged in fraud and cover ups for the fact that ECT's purported "effectiveness" goes away once the treatments stop, while the very terrible side effects can be permanent, including amnesia, loss of motor function, etc...
The lawsuits are starting to come in and are of course beings settled out of court, because the manufacturers know they would lose in actual trial given the evidence against them is so blatant.
More details here https://breggin.com/huge-breakthrough-in-lawsuits-against-el... and here http://www.dk4law.com/blog/dk-law-group-news/other/ect-shock...
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#8Earlier quoted context omitted.
Your comment is dangerous and irresponsible. This is not the 40’s, ECT is not used lightly; it is the treatment of last resort for severe depression when lifestyle changes, medication and therapy have all failed. The side effects are well-understood and patients who choose ECT do so because the alternative is unbearable. What you are saying cashes out to the claim that depression can be overcome with sheer positivity…
Sorry but there are dozens of studies and hundreds of reports of people basically losing memories of entire portions of their life and the ability to do simple things like tie their shoelaces or do simple math after just one round of ECT. How this is still not banned by the FDA is beyond me. Not to mention the number of people who get heart complications from it or outright die during the procedure. How can you say t…
Have you ever had someone close to you commit suicide? If so, is that truly a better outcome than undergoing ECT?
If not, then I want you to understand this: ECT is used to treat a lethal illness.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#9My opinion is suicide being the better outcome than electroconvulsive therapy.
People are so irrational in fearing the unknown "death" that they'll do something barbaric to themselves and where the outcome is creating a disabled version of their former self.
Humanity is really disgusting. First, we label people with "depression" a word denoting human expression built upon a pseudo practice named psychiatry and where the majority of people being depressed just suffered poor life events. Financial problems, divorce, child abuse, social & behavioural development problems, the list goes on and the professionals receiving funding "for these victims" will just try to numb the victim's brain; to medicate the problem away.
Re: The misunderstood consequences of electroconvulsive therapy
#10Earlier quoted context omitted.
Sorry but there are dozens of studies and hundreds of reports of people basically losing memories of entire portions of their life and the ability to do simple things like tie their shoelaces or do simple math after just one round of ECT. How this is still not banned by the FDA is beyond me. Not to mention the number of people who get heart complications from it or outright die during the procedure. How can you say t…
Have you ever had someone close to you commit suicide? If so, is that truly a better outcome than undergoing ECT? If not, then I want you to understand this: ECT is used to treat a lethal illness.
I'm sorry but that's the equivalent of saying "This person is about to kill themselves, so let's take a bat and hit them over the head with it so they can't do that now. See, now they're doing fine, they're not killing themselves."
Would you take someone who is about to kill themselves and take a pair of live electric wires to their head to try to "cure" them? Because that's essentially what ECT is, despite all the supposed "new and improved" spiel which is marketing speak, that and they sedate you while doing it.
Inducing brain damage is not treatment.
Saying that is not denying the problems that some people are suicidal and need help. That's a very real issue.
But ECT is very real scientific fraud, often done without fully informed consent on the parts of the patients and family members, often done against and over the wishes of the person receiving ECT, and billed for thousands of dollars to insurance companies over and over again, with results that go away once treatment stops and side effects that remain for a lifetime.