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Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by Sacho »

fzeroracer wrote: post #106
deogeo wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic, no-one has any rights anywhere, because you can always find some incident where the law was subverted or abused by the powerful. But I would dearly like to hear how freedom of speech is used to suppress minorities. Note that in my own country (or the region that became my country), censorship was used to suppress the growing independence movement. A movement of a minority of the population. Perhaps if…

An easy way to examine this issue is how rallies, protests etc are treated differently depending on their racial origins. For example, when a city attempted to block the march of the Unite the Right rally, they were met with a strong resistance under their right to freedom of speech. Yet Black Lives Matter was treated with far more disdain and had a considerably stronger and disproportionate response to their activis…

Your facts argue against your point. In your words, a city, the government itself, tried to block the "Unite the Right" rally. Meanwhile, Black Lives Matter "was treated with far more disdain"(presumably by private actors exercising their own freedom of speech - not government actors?). It sounds like there was plenty of disdain for the "Unite the Right" rally as well - I can't imagine what else would lead a city to break the law in an attempt to block it.

I'm not sure what outcome you would have wanted from the situation - the government should have further tried to supress people against BLM? Who's the minority power in your scenario again?

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

mirimir wrote: post #8

Hey, someone ought to start reporting EU sites as "terrorist content". Edit: Or better yet, report major MPAA members for copyright infringement, using spoofed accounts for other major MPAA members :)

Wouldn't knowingly sending false reports be a misdemeanour, or even felony?

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by arp242 »

golemotron wrote: post #113

I can see why the UK would not be excited to remain.

Ehm, UK probably blocks more internet sites than most other EU countries. Never mind that UK libel laws are notorious; saying that homeopaths are quacks can get you in to serious problems.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by Carpetsmoker »

baroffoos wrote: post #86
lilyball wrote: post #85

Why does the proposed EU legislation have a 1-hour deadline? No matter what you think of the action it's trying to take, a 1-hour deadline is preposterous for anyone and seems expressly designed to force people to set up an automated process that acts on takedown notices without prior review. But who benefits from this? About the only thing I can think of is if some big company, think Facebook or Google, lobbied for…

I think the idea of the 1 hour deadline is to pull it offline before others can download and repost it. The police/governments especially in Australia and New Zealand have worked out that there is simply no way to remove a file from the internet if someone else grabs it in time. Its a fruitless effort and very dangerous when misused but thats what I assume they are trying to do anyway.

I'm in New Zealand, and finding the Christchurch shooter's manifesto was harder than you'd think.

The "it's not foolproof, so it's fruitless"-argument strikes me as missing the point. We can't prevent many things from happening (rape, thieving, excessive drug use, etc.) but that doesn't mean that efforts to contain this are useless.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by tuxt »

w1nst0nsm1th wrote: post #97
smsm42 wrote: post #26

Funny how exactly EU follows the path Russia has recently taken. After Russia passed the law that banned online material promoting terrorist content, suicide, drug information and harm to children, and so on, there was an avalanche of false takedown requests and misidentifications, including attempting to block Wikipedia, ban Bhagavad Gita commentary (yes, really) and many more anecdotes that sound funny unless you l…

I think we’re still a long way before we reach the excess of Russia regarding free speech et subordination of democratic values.

Does homophobic count as free speech?

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by fzeroracer »

Sacho wrote: post #121
fzeroracer wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

An easy way to examine this issue is how rallies, protests etc are treated differently depending on their racial origins. For example, when a city attempted to block the march of the Unite the Right rally, they were met with a strong resistance under their right to freedom of speech. Yet Black Lives Matter was treated with far more disdain and had a considerably stronger and disproportionate response to their activis…

Your facts argue against your point. In your words, a city , the government itself, tried to block the "Unite the Right" rally. Meanwhile, Black Lives Matter "was treated with far more disdain"(presumably by private actors exercising their own freedom of speech - not government actors?). It sounds like there was plenty of disdain for the "Unite the Right" rally as well - I can't imagine what else would lead a city to…

No, my facts argue in favor of my point. Which is that the policing apparatus in America functions to serve those that are already in power. That was the point of my comparison, because white supremacist rallies tend to be treated very well by the police with violence committed by the rally members allowed to go unchecked, while others are met with immediate violence by the state and a zealous show of force from the police. Which again, is easily proven by the fact that higher government institutions have placed a focus on dealing with Black Identity Extremists rather than White Supremacy.

And in this case the city didn't 'break the law', they were attempting to move the rally to another location (rightfully) believing that it would pose a severe security risk. Which led to the challenge by the ACLU on the grounds of the first amendment and an emergency injunction being put in place to allow the rally to occur at the original location.

Unless you honestly believe that black identity extremists are somehow more dangerous than white supremacists at this time, it's obvious that one group benefits a lot more from 'freedom of speech' than another.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by mirimir »

Carpetsmoker wrote: post #122
mirimir wrote: post #8

Hey, someone ought to start reporting EU sites as "terrorist content". Edit: Or better yet, report major MPAA members for copyright infringement, using spoofed accounts for other major MPAA members :)

Wouldn't knowingly sending false reports be a misdemeanour, or even felony?

Sure. So do it anonymously. All's fair in war.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by orionblastar »

deogeo wrote: post #10

A clever circumvention of innocent until proven guilty - make disobedience carry huge legal risk. You must obey orders (takedown 'requests'), not backed by any court. If you fail, and one turns out to be legitimate, you get punished. Imagine if you had to stop doing business with anyone reported as a thief (but not convicted).

Sort of like guilty by association.

Re: EU Agencies Falsely Report More Than 550 Archive.org URLs as Terrorist Content

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Post by orionblastar »

stcredzero wrote: post #83
deogeo wrote: post #10

A clever circumvention of innocent until proven guilty - make disobedience carry huge legal risk. You must obey orders (takedown 'requests'), not backed by any court. If you fail, and one turns out to be legitimate, you get punished. Imagine if you had to stop doing business with anyone reported as a thief (but not convicted).

The ability to smear through accusation, without proof, without due process, and without the presumption of innocence has always been the province of tyrants in power and the tool of would-be tyrants trying to gain power. Those who accuse and un-person are the villains throughout history. In the past, people were smeared as sexually loose, as belonging to the "wrong" religion, or as having the "wrong" sexual orientat…

Thought Police from 1984.
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