Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland • Hacker News Board

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by gok » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:12 PM UTC

qubitcoder wrote: post #247

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #194

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> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M…

German cars are _significantly_ more expensive in Germany than the exact same model in the US. I was astonished at the price difference (factoring in currency conversion, VAT, etc). The same applies for electronics. I sold a used iPad to a German colleague for substantially _more_ than what I had paid for it, and it was still a bargain for him.

German cars in Germany are also more likely to be made in Germany, whereas a lot of the US models are made in Tennessee or South Carolina.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by r00fus » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:18 PM UTC

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #185

whatshisface wrote: post #168

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You accelerate really fast in a straight line every time you pull out from a stop sign or red light. In fact if you are adhering to speed limits, accelerating really fast is the only way to save travel time.

Or arrive faster at the next red light.

I used to think this until I got an EV. The ability to a) accelerate quickly and b) stop more quickly makes them almost like motorcycles.

You catch lights easier, merge effortlessly and slowdowns are zen.

I gain about a couple of min trip time to drop off my kids which is about 10m and 6-7 signal lights away.

Also on highways I utilize the HOV lane which for me trims about 5m off my longish commute.

And it’s all comfortable and silent.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by r00fus » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:29 PM UTC

kayoone wrote: post #93

sweden wrote: post #85

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Funnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)

But Merc E is multiple classes above the Tesla in terms of space, interior quality and luxury/comfort.

It still stinks like any other petroleum car. Once you go EV it’s hard to go back.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by btrettel » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

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Klathmon wrote: post #116

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I'd just caution against doing this in some areas. A member of a group I used to ride with decided to stop riding when someone opened their door to stop him from splitting in PA. He smacked into the door, was physically okay, but ended up getting charged with something like "illegal lane change", had his insurance prices skyrocket, and decided to stop riding as he had to drive for his job, and he was worried that ano…

The driver who opened their door is very lucky nothing serious came of it. Many motorcycle riders would treat that as an attempt on their life and react accordingly, probably not working out well for the car driver.

As a bicyclist, I was surprised by the sheer number of drivers who seem intent on punishing bicyclists, often for actions that are not illegal. So, given this experience I am not surprised to hear the same is true for motorcyclists.

I've had people do very close "punishment passes" on me because they thought I was going far below the speed limit when in reality I was going roughly 17 mph in a 15 mph zone. This is not some sort of isolated incident. I've spoken to several of them and it's rare that I get an apology for it.

Add on top of that the people who pass me closely while yelling things like "get in the bike lane!" when I'm riding in the sharrow lane and there is no bike lane.

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Post by sailfast » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

ajross wrote: post #248

g4k wrote: post #240

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It is not incredibly rare. Many people from the Netherlands drive to Austria and Italy for vacation.

Yes yes, lot of people do everything. The question is whether or not something you do once every two years (my educated guess based on that kind of trip frequency per net passenger car -- and I live in the western US!) is a critical requirement for a passenger vehicle to be driven every day. There are all sorts of things your car can't do that "many" other people do. All I'm saying is stop the nonsense that pretends…

Right - the thing I am rebutting is this from the original parent quote:

> "The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance travel."

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by rad_gruchalski » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:30 PM UTC

gok wrote: post #261

qubitcoder wrote: post #247

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German cars are _significantly_ more expensive in Germany than the exact same model in the US. I was astonished at the price difference (factoring in currency conversion, VAT, etc). The same applies for electronics. I sold a used iPad to a German colleague for substantially _more_ than what I had paid for it, and it was still a bargain for him.

German cars in Germany are also more likely to be made in Germany, whereas a lot of the US models are made in Tennessee or South Carolina.

Wikipedia claims that Spartanburg hosts the only US factory and only the X models (SUVs) are manufactured there.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by andrewmunsell » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:31 PM UTC

tzs wrote: post #210

trca wrote: post #63

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I have a Model 3 and have gone on multiple long-distance road trips (>1,000 mile) with it. It's an absolute pleasure to drive with AutoPilot. Plus, most people already stop every 3-4 hours for bathroom/food breaks anyway, so if you use the in-car nav system (Google Maps), it will make it so those stops are at superchargers. The supercharger stops are almost always in high-density places with plenty of restaurants and…

Are there any problem on long trips if it is to some event that is drawing a lot of people? A couple years ago, when I was planning a trip to the middle of some rural area to see a total solar eclipse, I checkout out of curiosity what the electric charger situation was to see what the trip would be like in an EV. At the time the Tesla network was sparse enough in that area that you'd need to get pretty full charges t…

I can't speak about the solar eclipse specifically (though, my drive in an ICE vehicle during that went from what should have been a 4 hour drive to 12 total), some events do cause backups at chargers.

Recent examples would be the SpaceX launches (example, though this is not bad at all: https://steemit.com/tesla/@geeklad/spacex-launch-causes-cong...), which probably have an unusually large number of Teslas in attendance.

Hopefully Tesla can keep up with building out superchargers but they'll obviously never optimize for the largest possible burst.

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Post by rad_gruchalski » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:33 PM UTC

whycombagator wrote: post #208

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #194

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> I was pretty shocked when they said it was over €100k. I pulled up the same car for about $60k at my local dealer in the states and that price is before bargaining. I don’t believe you. The only stock 5 series over €100k is the M5 Limousine (€119k). All other models are well below €100k, unless they come with options / BMW Individual. 550d Touring xDrive is €82k base price (with taxes). I’m looking at a 2019 530d M…

Just for your reference, it appears the 520i is not offered in the US. The base model would be the 530i. It doesn't seem like a 530d or a 550d are offered in the US...but for some kind of comparison: with little effort I was able to find a 2019 540i xDrive with the M sport package for $53k on cargurus. Factor in taxes and its $57k. Factor in that I haven't even bothered to check autotrader or shop around emailing/cal…

Ah, I see, you are talking about a second hand car. All the numbers I included in my replies refer to a brand new car delivered to order. For a reference, I just visited a US configurator. A brand new 540i M package is exactly $62550 and the configurator says: "MSRP excludes destination & handling fee of $995, tax, title, license, and registration."

Sorry, but a brand new car will be much more expensive then in the US than in Germany.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by t413 » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:38 PM UTC

jak92 wrote: post #29

I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

I've met [Phil Sadow](https://www.fastcompany.com/90209541/meet-the-renegade-whos-...) the other day in Berkeley, he's pretty fully p0wned the S,3,X systems and replaced the tesla endpoints up with his own server. If you're really worried about this enough then there may be a way.

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Post by burfog » Wed, Apr 10, 2019, 8:41 PM UTC

Klathmon wrote: post #258

burfog wrote: post #251

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I'm paying attention to the road ahead, so I wouldn't rear-end anybody. On the other hand, I have huge blind spots to the side and anyway my attention is mainly to the road ahead. I barely fit in the lane, and would easily crush you with my 3 to 5 tons. Recently I was driving with about 4 inches to the adjacent vehicles on each side. You don't fit in 4 inches; this is not a scrape. That came up unexpectedly, as the l…

And lane splitters are paying attention to the road ahead, and are watching to make sure they have enough space, that they have an escape, that there is nothing in the way, and that nobody has a turn signal on or has room to suddenly change lanes. And if any of those isn't true, they stay in their lane and don't split. Lane splitting sounds terrifying if you've never done it, but it's actually very straightforward an…

If you had an escape, it wouldn't be lane splitting.

Picture four lanes with four vehicles. You decide to go right down the middle. The outermost vehicles change, being replaced by larger vehicles, but the innermost vehicles haven't seen you. The innermost vehicles move inward to have more distance from the outermost vehicles. The resulting space is physically too small for your body.

There is no escape. You go crunch.

I wouldn't mind if this only affected you, but it isn't harmless to me. Now I have to pull over and wait for the cops, ruining my schedule. I'll need to get my van repaired. I'll need to sue your estate for damages. If things go very badly, I may be wrongly blamed for your crash.

Stay in your lane. We mark lanes for a very good reason.