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Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by kalleboo »

leesec wrote: post #48
almost_usual wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Really? Autopilot seems like it would make for a pretty boring road trip. You need to pay attention to the road but you’re not driving.

The pleasure of driving for me does not come from making thousands of micro-adjustments constantly, in fact that's what makes a road trip exhausting. Autopilot reduces the stress and decision fatigue.

For my last roadtrip I got a rental car with Subaru's EyeSight adaptive cruise control and lane-keeping. After a day of driving with that I was noticeably less fatigued, and could afford to actually look out at the scenery every now and then.

Definitely worth it, I imagine Tesla's system is even better.

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Post by EngineerBetter »

almost_usual wrote: post #32
leesec wrote: post #25

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Road trips are a joy with autopilot.

Really? Autopilot seems like it would make for a pretty boring road trip. You need to pay attention to the road but you’re not driving.

It also makes things more comfortable - you can stretch and change position on long drives. In three hours of motorway driving on Sunday, I was only driving for about three minutes - the rest was Autopilot.

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by mcv »

wil421 wrote: post #69
Ma8ee wrote: post #66

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Yes! This is something that I have wondered for a long time. Why do people buy a car that covers all possible usecases for all year around instead of buying one that is ideal for daily use and then rent a bigger car for the week or two when you need it? It would be better for the wallet and for the environment.

I have a car payment, pay to maintain my car, and fees to drive it. Why would I buy a car knowing I would have to rent a car several times a year to go on vacation?

Good point. Plenty of people choose to not own a car at all, and only rent when they need one.

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Post by jak92 »

addflip wrote: post #73
jak92 wrote: post #29

I'd like a tesla but not comfortable with their data policy. If tesla provides a way to opt out I may consider a base model 3 in the future.

I own a BMW i3 and the Tesla Model 3. Both have cellular connections and are constantly pinging their motherships. At least on the Tesla I have the option of opting out. No such ability is available on the BMW.

> No such ability is available on the BMW.

Does the CEO of BMW tweet that it's your fault after you wreck your car?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by sweden »

gpjanik wrote: post #56

I hate how Tesla advertises Model 3 as a 35k$ car. In Germany, the cheapest, bare bone version of it is around 60 000 (53k euro). At this price point, it doesn't make much sense, it's just better to get a car like Merc E Class.

Funnily enough, you could argue the same about the Mercedes E class. For the price of a Mercedes, you could get a Tesla. :-)

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Post by prolepunk »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42
Reason077 wrote: post #34

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The Tesla Model 3 is very capable of long road trips, especially in the summer, with a range of 500km or more. The only exception would be if you’re driving in very remote areas with no charging infrastructure, but that almost doesn’t exist any more in Western Europe. The Tesla Supercharger network, combined with its ability to charge on CCS charging networks like Ionity, make it uniquely suited to long distance trav…

You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

I object to that! Whenever I get stuck in traffic going uphill, my left leg gets a good workout.

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Post by MHordecki »

bluetidepro wrote: post #23
readhn wrote: post #20

i was flying through zurich recently. McDonalds big mac, fries and soda were $20 (!!!). Is everyone there pretty much a millionaire?

Does that comparison work in that context, though? I've seen a lot of traditionally "cheap US fast-food" be expensive overseas in many countries. I imagine because there is almost a tourist aspect to it, unlike when it's here in the US. Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal?

> Is there a Swiss version of what they consider cheap fast-food, and is that place still $20 for a basic meal?

Döner joints. They are about ~15 CHF for a meal including a drink.

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Post by swozey »

Ntrails wrote: post #67
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

> You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic. That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. It's weird, I've never actually thought of changing gear as a hassle or something that makes driving un-fun. Stop and go traffic is a game, where the goal is to not brake. Gears give me an additional way to achieve that goal. For me it's way more engaging and helps me pay more attention to the roa…

Have you driven a motorcycle or a high horsepower car with a stiff clutch in stop and go traffic? I developed leg problems from my Cobra a decade ago. Sitting in traffic was absolutely miserable. Same with bikes, except there you're also covered in sweat the entire time so it's even less pleasant.

My DCT BMW was also annoying in stop and go traffic and I didn't even have to manipulate the gears.

I still find shifting to be fun, I mostly drove my BMW in manual DCT mode (dual clutch). But in traffic? I don't want to go near a manual.

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Post by wutangson1 »

Ntrails wrote: post #67
dsfyu404ed wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic (and I don't mean that suburban sprawl "run through the gears between each stop light" type of stop and go you get in some places, I mean like going 10-30ft at a time between stops). That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. The extra cognitive load of having to worry about range and where you're going to charge is a pain in the butt that mo…

> You can drive a manual in stop and go traffic. That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic. It's weird, I've never actually thought of changing gear as a hassle or something that makes driving un-fun. Stop and go traffic is a game, where the goal is to not brake. Gears give me an additional way to achieve that goal. For me it's way more engaging and helps me pay more attention to the roa…

"That doesn't make it not obviously worse for the task than an automatic"

what in the lawerly language are you trying to say?

Re: Tesla Model 3 becomes best-selling car in Switzerland

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Post by ryanhuff »

wil421 wrote: post #69
Ma8ee wrote: post #66

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! This is something that I have wondered for a long time. Why do people buy a car that covers all possible usecases for all year around instead of buying one that is ideal for daily use and then rent a bigger car for the week or two when you need it? It would be better for the wallet and for the environment.

I have a car payment, pay to maintain my car, and fees to drive it. Why would I buy a car knowing I would have to rent a car several times a year to go on vacation?

One reason I do is to avoid the mileage I put on a vacation car. I could travel 1,500 miles across several states while on a vacation trip. That’s 1-2 months of normal driving that I instead put on rental car for about $150.
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