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The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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>The VOC’s stocks pushed the company’s worth to a massive 78 million Dutch guilders, which is a pretty solid business even today, but translates to a whopping $7,9 trillion dollar worth today… Yes, really, trillion. That’s 7,900 billion – or 79,000 million!

The math doesn't seem right.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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post #47

Dutch East India Company had its own colonies and army. Practically speaking, it was a branch of the Dutch government, so comparing it to the contemporary companies doesn't make much sense.

There were other private colonial enterprises - British India Company, Kingdom of Sarawak, Kongo Abir Company. 1 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_India_Company 2 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abir_Congo_Company 3 - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Sarawak

Even crazier, Abir operated in Congo Free State (the present-day Democratic Republic of the Congo). That was a private, personally owned colony of King Leopold II of Belgium. At the end of the 19th century. Congo is enormous.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

#104
post #37

Dutch East India Company had its own colonies and army. Practically speaking, it was a branch of the Dutch government, so comparing it to the contemporary companies doesn't make much sense.

Was the VOC a branch of the Dutch government, or was the Dutch government a branch of the VOC? The Dutch government was extremely trade-oriented during the 17th century, and the army would be deployed to protect the trade interests of the VOC.

The Dutch government at the time was sort of an anomaly in the sense that after kicking out the Spanish army, it sort of accidentally became a federation of provinces without a proper monarch and a relatively strong navy. Also, a lot of oppressed jews, protestants, etc. found refuge in Amsterdam bringing in a lot of capital. So in that climate of relative peace, tolerance, cultural intermingling, and trading, a lot of innovative stuff (financially, scientifically, etc.) happened in a short span of time.

Trade was indeed a big driver and the VoC basically was one of the first companies/multinationals that used the stock market to raise capital to build an enormous amount of ships that definitely had a lot of defensive/offensive capability. So the VoC was its own navy effectively. Ship building at the time was labor and capital intensive and required access to a lot of resources (e.g. timber). So capital and easy access to local trade routes (the rhine, baltics, etc.) was essential.

When these ships started bringing back goods from Africa and the Indian Ocean regions, people started making lots of money. Dominating the channel militarily and being able to deal with the French, Spanish, and British navies also was key. The scale of the VoC was simply unprecedented.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

#105
India is the land of fertility, since time immemorial. Any business in India is bound to succeed in India & that only increases with time. It is not just fertility, but spirituality in India (as opposed to the fake spirituality in the rest of the world) that aids in success in India. Most people, including Indians are ignorant to these facts & want to destroy India & what it stands for. What a pity!

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

#106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Practically speaking some of today's big companies are branches of the government too.

Name one?

Renault is partially owned by the French Government I believe

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

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post #89
post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Good luck estimating both 17th-century world wealth in Dutch guilders and 21st-century world wealth in USD, both within an order of magnitude. That's at leasts several months, if not years worth of research work in there.

Oh I'm sure it's a lot of work. But that's the whole point right? Getting a proper answer. Guesstimates and half calculations are also imprecise enough to make such articles basically just an exercise in imagination rather than an accurate representation of the facts.

But the problem is that it is impossible to get a proper answer, even with infinite work. It will always rely on guesstimates and half calculations.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

#108
post #74
post #68

This is a non-sensical article, relying on some obfuscating math hidden behind "Infl. Adjusted". Inflation adjustments gets pretty fuzzy even in the same nation across a few decades, let alone between different nations across centuries. The article equates the 1637 peak valuation of 78 million guilders with current day 7,900,000 million dollars (not the 79,000 million according to the bad math in the article!). Now c…

As another reference point, an annual salary for low-to-medium skilled labour in mid-17th century Holland was around 100 to 200 guilders, which would be about 20 million USD according to the implied "Infl. Adjusted" conversion in the article (upon which the entire premise of the article rests).

dutch architecture consisted of nothing but gold in the middle ages. post-independence we painted everything brown to fit in with the rest of europe.

Re: The Dutch East India Co was richer than Apple, Google, Facebook combined (2017)

#109
post #68

This is a non-sensical article, relying on some obfuscating math hidden behind "Infl. Adjusted". Inflation adjustments gets pretty fuzzy even in the same nation across a few decades, let alone between different nations across centuries. The article equates the 1637 peak valuation of 78 million guilders with current day 7,900,000 million dollars (not the 79,000 million according to the bad math in the article!). Now c…

Another reason for considering it a pointless measure is that it is from the peak of tulip mania. What was it valued at after the bust?
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