The obvious point to make is that American student loans already suck so this may be an alternative. However, this makes me feel really uncomfortable. The first is the same reason as student loans: At the age you're agreeing this you are very unlikely to correctly judge your own value. It's the same reason why students take on ridiculously onerous student loans. The solution to that problem in my mind though is to re…
The other consideration is that it makes investors incentivized to get you to succeed (at least as far as salary is concerned). That could be a huge advantage if you manage to get the right investors. Of course I also wonder if it's only a matter of time before a short market emerges - which it will - if investors need to hedge against a recession or something that would not be covered by traditional insurance produc…
Income-sharing agreements let students trade future earnings for investment
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#43Definition:
1. A person in a condition of servitude, required to render services to a lord, commonly attached to the lord's land and transferred with it from one owner to another.
2. A slave.
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#44Great.. why don't we just call ourselves the new digital serfs? Definition: 1. A person in a condition of servitude, required to render services to a lord, commonly attached to the lord's land and transferred with it from one owner to another. 2. A slave.
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#45Earlier quoted context omitted.
If they are going to be cynical about it, maybe they should consider household income instead of just personal salary so they can collect from women who, due to higher education, can marry a richer husband than they could without the education.
I don’t think that could be enforceable. It would also create weird incentives. If two people have these loans, and they get married... would their payments double?
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#46Some of the ISAs being done by colleges just look like dressed up student loans in comparison.
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#47I got in. I remember I was telling some millionaire member of the club what I would be doing and he told me that he thought that was illegal and they were ripping me off. I genuinely liked most of the members, but I really wanted to tell that guy some very rude things.
It changed my life. By the next spring I had a great job I loved that was paying me way way more than the golfing club. I had to pay 30% of my first 6 months instead of 15% over the full year, which is tough after taxes. Take home pay was like 45% of my paycheck. But even during that first 6 months I was making way more than I would have otherwise. I’d do it again in a heartbeat.
Bottom line, I got a chance I wouldn’t have gotten otherwise. There’s plenty of ways to take advantage of desperate people. The term could have been longer, the rate higher. It could turn into a type of slavery. But if these things are limited in some way they can be a good thing. Especially if they time out, and are subject to you actually being paid. Then they are better than most other loans, and the people who you owe have interests that are slightly more aligned with yours.
That program has changed a bit since I went through. Also, I think the biggest drawback was I was expecting them to really help me get a job, but it was more throw us all out there and see who sticks. So, probably much less ideal in fields without the same insatiable demand for workers.
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#49The obvious point to make is that American student loans already suck so this may be an alternative. However, this makes me feel really uncomfortable. The first is the same reason as student loans: At the age you're agreeing this you are very unlikely to correctly judge your own value. It's the same reason why students take on ridiculously onerous student loans. The solution to that problem in my mind though is to re…
So what happened? We decided that it would be a good thing if anybody could go to school without having to pay for it immediately. It's a pretty well intended motivation. And so how did we do this? We tried to solve it through regulations. The idea was pretty straight forward. To help ensure anybody could afford to go to college the government would give loans unconditionally, aside from financial need. To try to ensure people wouldn't just take the money and squander it, the law was adjusted to prevent these loans from being able to be dismissed in bankruptcy.
And indeed college attendance shot up after these laws were passed. But this did two things. It sharply increased the demand for post-secondary education, and it also increased the supply of money available to pay for it. Predictably costs started to gradually rise. And so as this happened, it began to be that government loans alone were no longer sufficient to ensure everybody could go to college without having to immediately pay for it. And so we now did the exact same thing with private loans - they could no longer be dismissed, which meant that from a lender's perspective, giving a loan was practically free money.
And we've seen what happened here already. Costs skyrocketed since there was now an effectively unlimited amount of money that students could borrow. The only reason costs stopped accelerating as fast is because we reached 'peak college' in 2010-2011 with enrollment figures with enrollment continuing to decline since then in spite of an increasing population.
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The point I'm making with this is that the one and only reason we're in this situation is because of well intended regulations. It's easy to say just "regulate out of existence exploitative student loan conditions" but things like this are far easier to say than do. For instance, as you make loans less profitable for lenders, they end up becoming more selective on who they lend to. In turn we end up going back to where we started where college is no longer something for everybody. And in my opinion this is probably the right direction, but at the same time I think many people would disagree with this. If you happen to be one of these people then you end up in this tough situation of trying to create a system where lenders can/will lend to people who they probably should not be lending to. Getting a degree in underwater basket weaving isn't going to likely lead to a life such that one could repay years of debts taken on to obtain such a degree, even if the cost of education was relatively "affordable."
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#50The obvious point to make is that American student loans already suck so this may be an alternative. However, this makes me feel really uncomfortable. The first is the same reason as student loans: At the age you're agreeing this you are very unlikely to correctly judge your own value. It's the same reason why students take on ridiculously onerous student loans. The solution to that problem in my mind though is to re…