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San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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Hmm an article on SF from the National Review. I'll pass on that one.

The article could have been written ~5 years ago with maybe a few interchangeable variables and would have expressed the same feeling of being frozen in an unchanging dystopian time loop.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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post #217

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It also helps that Vienna's population has been basically flat for many years. By contrast the prior #1 most liveable city - Melbourne - has grown from 2 million 30 years ago to 5 million currently, forecast to get to 8 million by 2050, all due to mass immigration. Livability has fallen directly in line with population growth. I've lived in a lot of cities around the world and think there is a 'sweet spot' population…

Could it be that change is painful? When people settle down, they want things to mostly stay the way it is until they die. A city in growth or decline interferes with that.

Immigration to Australia is mostly low-wage male workers from poor, non-European countries entering on student visas (the country is one of few to allow international students to work). They serve to drive down labour costs and increase cost of living pressures (water shortages in many cities for example - requiring expensive desalination).

The opposition to mass-immigration (the country is growing at about 1.6% annually, with the same annual level of immigration as the UK, a country with 3x the population) is completely justified and it is not in the long-term interests of the country or of individual Australians.

Its not only the formal mechanics - the whole system is rorted, with a lot of fraud. A Chinese businessman bribing federal politicians for citizenship is a current news item.

Finally Australia makes its way in the world by mining and selling off its fixed endowment of minerals. The rest of the economy is not particularly competitive, mostly just domestic services and real estate. More people means a smaller slice of natural resources per person. This is not theoretical - wages are flat and cost of living pressures are high in the country. Public healthcare, education and transportation are all overcrowded.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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post #89

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This isn't so far fetched. Much of the world lives in overpopulated dystopian slums. Kuala Lumpur is covered in walls, spikes and barbed wire. Rio de Janeiro walls off their favelas: https://assets.rbl.ms/14235733/980x.jpg The question with many cities is the same - is it worth saving? A lot of any city's downfall is often the fault of its older residents. Why do the poor stay? Why do the rich not focus on changing i…

>> The obvious answer seems to be moving to somewhere nearby that's cheaper and roomier. But people seem very resistant to this for some reason. Because that requires money.

Well, I mean for homeless people or startups, it's a lot cheaper at the fringes. Cities like Sydney have a "greater" area that extends about 1-2 hours drive away. Which seems like a lot, but if they're driving Uber at night to pay the bills, it might be a better deal.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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It also helps that Vienna's population has been basically flat for many years. By contrast the prior #1 most liveable city - Melbourne - has grown from 2 million 30 years ago to 5 million currently, forecast to get to 8 million by 2050, all due to mass immigration. Livability has fallen directly in line with population growth. I've lived in a lot of cities around the world and think there is a 'sweet spot' population…

It depends what you build for. San Francisco, the dystopia as described in the article, has under a million residents. Its wounds, and that of the bay area in general, are entirely self-inflicted.

The problem is that city limits are not consistently defined internationally. According to Wikipedia the broader urban area of SF is 8 million people.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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post #286

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Most of the article was simply stating the obvious about SF, but the end was very weird. When the National Review starts calling for a land-value tax and a “redistributive policy”, I’m sorry, but I’m going to call this disingenuous trolling by the author, because these are not policies the National Review honestly advocates for.

"There's a sense in which all taxes are antagonistic to free enterprise – and yet we need taxes. ...So the question is, which are the least bad taxes? In my opinion the least bad tax is the property tax on the unimproved value of land, the Henry George argument of many, many years ago." —Milton Friedman

Now do how wealth redistribution from rich to the poor is good.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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For those who are wondering, given the publisher, no, the essay is not simply a rant against rent-control: > True revolution would involve curbing the authority of the San Francisco Planning Commission. If Democrats in the city or in Sacramento actually cared about the poor or the environment (density is green), they would enact a land-value tax and establish a redistributive policy to align the interests of the city…

Is there anything in the world quite as dumb as this form of argument? If Democrats in the city or in Sacramento actually cared about the poor or the environment

Yes, it's generally bad form. But the important context here is that Democrats have a mega-majority in the state legislature (up from being a normal super-majority) [0], plus the governor's mansion, likely much of the judicial bench, and much of the electorate (who can weigh-in directly via ballot propositions). If something is or isn't being done in terms of statewide policy and regulations, the buck stops with the Democratic Party more than it would in almost every other jurisdiction.

[0] https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-pol-sac-skelton-democrat...

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post #280

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Seriously, get off the internet and go volunteer at St Anthony's for an hour. You'll get to meet some representative sample of the homeless in San Francisco and gain a much more high resolution picture on what all the various causes of homelessness are. The picture is complicated but it's not at all what you're positing. I guarantee if you spend a week working with the homeless in San Francisco, you'll meet at least…

You're talking past me to a prototypical "person who (you) disagree with". To wit: - I made no comments about homeless people being uninteresting or unintelligent or how much money they do, or did earn, etc. - I have presented no pet theories about the causes of homelessness or the demerits of the homeless. I have simply pointed out that a very, very commonly published and cited statistic is, in my opinion, very ill…

If you suspect it's more correct, go out and verify it (hint: It's not).

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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I'm planning to move to SF form Barcelona next year and this kind of article always makes me doubt a lot about my decision. Especially because of the fact that seems like that there's nothing less then tech to talk about in SF, and i'm seriously worried about how this can affect not only my creativity but also my relationship (my girlfriend is not tech). Can you advise me any other place (in the US) to move for a whi…

Don't get sucked into all the drama - it's very fashionable to hate on SF right now. For all its flaws, SF is still a top tier city with amazing things to do within an hours reach.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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I've visited San Franscisco a few times. First in the 80s, it was a lot nicer then. Most recently last year, where I found the awful zombie apocalypse around Moscone Center. What a change!

I hope SF can find a way to revitalize, sort of like NYC has done. It seemed to go through some dark times in the 70s, but now is much nicer. Wishing the same luck for SF.

Re: San Francisco’s Slow-Motion Suicide

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post #220

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Houston's answer to affordability is sprawl, which has some big problems of its own. But add housing they do, something the Bay Area has failed miserably at.

Fun fact: the Houston-Sugarland Metropolitan Statistical Area (“MSA”) is 50% more dense than the San Francisco-Oakland MSA. But the former is still vastly more affordable.

Huh? Houston-The Woodlands-Sugar Land has 6,892,427 people living in 8,258 mi^2 for a population density of 834 people/mi^2 [1]. San Francisco-Oakland-Hayward has 4,727,357 people living in 2,474 mi^2 for a population density of 1,910 people/mi^2 [2]. That's remarkable, given the fact that the Santa Cruz Mountains make a lot of the land unsuitable for development, while pretty much everywhere around Houston that isn't part of the Gulf is suitable for sprawl.

Also fun fact: Los Angeles easily beats both regions, with 13,353,907 people living in 4,848 mi^2 for a population density of 2,755 people/mi^2. L.A. is a lot more dense than people think.

Weighted density is a better calculation, in any case. With those figures the sprawl of Houston becomes even more apparent: SF comes in at 2 of 34 (plus L.A. at 3 and San Diego at 9), while Houston is ranked 23 [4].

I grew up not far from Houston. Say what you will about Texans, but urbanists they are not. :)

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greater_Houston#Demographics

[2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/San_Francisco%E2%80%93Oakland%...

[3]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Los_Angeles_metropolitan_area#...

[4]: https://austinzoning.typepad.com/austincontrarian/2008/03/we...

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