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Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by shlant »

byteman wrote: post #93
otabdeveloper2 wrote: post #71

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> you don't see health professionals recommending meat as the core of a healthy diet Yeah, this is probably why obesity and related complications is the #1 cause of death right now. (Edging out 'old age' and 'smoking'.) These "health professionals" have blood on their hands.

I don't mean to be rude, but I suspect you might have misread the comment you've replied to.

nope, he said something just as absurd in another comment. People get realllly triggered and irrational when confronted with the fact their food is harmful to themselves and the planet.

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Post by fastbeef »

tzs wrote: post #80
fastbeef wrote: post #48

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I really don’t want to come off as some sort of condescending euro-snob, but is the state of tap water in the US so bad so that you have to purchase plastic bottles of water?

US consumption of bottled water in 2017 was 42 gallons per capita (160 liters) [1]. That's behind Italy (188 liters per capita) and Germany (175 liters per capita). The EU average is 117 liters per capita [2]. [1] https://www.statista.com/statistics/183377/per-capita-consum... [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/455422/bottled-water-con...

That's fascinating, thank you! Excellent site as well, looking forward to dig throuhg it.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by wortelefant »

maxander wrote: post #111
mises wrote: post #27

It's worth noting for anyone that advocates this sort of diet that it is a luxury. Many people mention that you can make good food on such a diet, but it is doubtless time-consuming. What of those who work by the hour? And the ingredients are expensive. Many of the fancy foods on here come from Whole Foods, not HEB. Even if they become affordable, the time aspect is still important; most don't want to spend 2 hours c…

Noodles and fried tofu takes no longer to cook than a steak, and is just as good. A big pot of curried lentils can be set up in ten minutes, let simmer for about an hour, and lasts all week. Tacos with refried beans instead of hamburger is a straightforward substitute. The list goes on. (Nor am I sure that any of those are significantly less caloric than the equivalent meat dishes.) I suspect that most people who thi…

After switching to a plant-based diet for health reasons at first, I started looking for alternatives to meat/dairy and found a wealth of tasty recipes - the vegan community is quite inventive, maybe due to the constraints.

One of my new favorites is homemade seitan, it is easy to prepare in a food processor and can be stored for a long time. Getting the texture right took some try and error, now I prefer this method (sparkling water) for a nice texture: https://www.elephantasticvegan.com/vegan-seitan-steak/#wprm-...

Other vegan "hacks" I found impressive were DIY vegan cultured camenbert (camenbert mould growing on cashew puree), aquafaba mousse au chocolat, asian stir fry with TVP or mock duck, jackfruit...

A lot of reverse engineering traditional recipes and reinventing them, perhaps the most innovative culinary movement at the momemt.

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by jriot »

Maybe we should eat foods native to our culture and region. Being from Louisiana, I eat plenty of meat (I have no ethical qualms with animals dying so I can eat meat, its apart of life), vegetables that can grow in the region, starches that also grow in the region e.g.,, converted Louisiana white rice, and take in a good portion of dairy. I don't need my food imported from around the world, I eat what is grown and raised here. Couple that with an active lifestyle and I don't see any need to change.

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Post by lucb1e »

jriot wrote: post #134

Maybe we should eat foods native to our culture and region. Being from Louisiana, I eat plenty of meat (I have no ethical qualms with animals dying so I can eat meat, its apart of life), vegetables that can grow in the region, starches that also grow in the region e.g.,, converted Louisiana white rice, and take in a good portion of dairy. I don't need my food imported from around the world, I eat what is grown and ra…

> I have no ethical qualms with animals dying so I can eat meat

Of the people I know that do not eat meat, including myself, they don't not eat it because of religion or animal pity...

Re: Foods for healthier people and a healthier planet [pdf]

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Post by rpiguy »

byteman wrote: post #109
rpiguy wrote: post #104

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I will happily do my own thing, until the do goodies decide my hamburger is destroying the environment and adding to national health costs and decide to tax it into oblivion. The article wasn’t bad, I was more offput by the comments. I will edit my post to remove the reference to the article.

Well are you disputing the damage inflicted to the environment by meat consumption, or are you saying you should be allowed to harm the environment with no limitation or consequence whatsoever?

Yes to both. Certified climate change skeptic right here.

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Post by Synaesthesia »

SlowRobotAhead wrote: post #119
Synaesthesia wrote: post #116

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Venezuela is actually capitalist, almost everything is privately owned and not government run.

>Venezuela is actually capitalist, Really? Source? Because the government took over and controls the means of production. So you can see how I am confused by you saying that Venezuela isn’t “really” socialism. Or you can answer the topic at hand. Where is food distuributon successful where “companies optimizing for profit” is not the case.

The government has intervened to bring food to the poorest people, who have been cut off by corporations which do actually control the food supply. The government never took over the means of production.
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