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2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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I think the most interesting portion was the "Developer's perspectives by gender".

When asked what one thing they would change about Stack Overflow:

Women used the following words more often (compared to men): condescending, replies, nicer, rude, dumb, friendlier, assholes, thanks, confusing, knowing.

While men used the following words: simpler, huge, banned, angular, official, complex, algorithm, expert, bounty, force.

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019?utm_source=so...

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Interesting that WordPress is the most dreaded tech every single year for the last 3+ years, yet WP "market share" is increasing every single year (it's now powering 1/3 of the web). Is it a disconnect between developers and non-developers? Is it just that developers don't like to work on "boring" tech, and working on WP is not a super-great resume builder? Curious to hear what people think.

Wordpress sites are easily done without any development work. There are many platforms providing ready to use wordpress sites, with nice themes and common needs covered. It is not targeted toward developers at all.

Comparing wordpress and developers, is a bit like comparing how many people like tyres (everybody got some on their car) to how many people enjoy making tyres for a living (not a very common activity).

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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What is non binary? I haven't heard that before. Can you share some experiences?

> what is non binary Analog.

I can dig it. Does that mean we get to avoid the gender autotuners and highly produced studio gender? :D

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Gone are the days when developers defined their job as 'X-programmer'(X being the language) or at-least in India as platform e.g Java platform. Companies have realised that programming languages are like 'drill bit in a tool box', one needs to use the best bit for the job.

The only folks I ever here say "the right tool for the job" are Java devs. /s

In all seriousness, people using non-mainstream languages are very attached to them. At least in my sample size of one.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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What is non binary? I haven't heard that before. Can you share some experiences?

Ok, this is a HIGHLY abbreviated overview that I'm sure other LGBTQ+ folks would say doesn't get it exactly right: If we decouple the idea of gender (societal expectations for men/women -- e.g. boys like blue, girls like pink. Boys wear shorts, girls wear skirts.) from the idea of sexual/genetic characteristics, then we can start to discuss what it means to be a man vs what it means to be male. Manliness and feminini…

Couple of questions if I may.

Do you think you have a right to dictate others use of pronouns, or maybe that they're wrong to use a pronoun that matches your sex (as it appears to them, whether that's factual it counter-factual)?

I have a beard, and people always comment on it but I'd rather they not define me by it (honestly, I'm not making this up) - it's hair that grows on me, that's it - should I get to tell them they can't say I'm hairy/bearded (despite that being obviously true)?

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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I also don't understand this. Even today, Rails is, by far, the most productive environment that exists for developing a web application. I speak this as someone who also wrote a ton of backends in Node.js, Java, and many other languages (never tried Django though, so I don't know about that). Almost all of those applications would have been 10% of the effort if they were just Rails apps. A sibling comment here menti…

In what way is it better than other frameworks, like Laravel?

`rails generate scaffolf products name:string` generate models, views, controller, migration and even controller tests. I dit not seen this anywhere outside Rails.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Ok, this is a HIGHLY abbreviated overview that I'm sure other LGBTQ+ folks would say doesn't get it exactly right: If we decouple the idea of gender (societal expectations for men/women -- e.g. boys like blue, girls like pink. Boys wear shorts, girls wear skirts.) from the idea of sexual/genetic characteristics, then we can start to discuss what it means to be a man vs what it means to be male. Manliness and feminini…

Couple of questions if I may. Do you think you have a right to dictate others use of pronouns, or maybe that they're wrong to use a pronoun that matches your sex (as it appears to them, whether that's factual it counter-factual)? I have a beard, and people always comment on it but I'd rather they not define me by it (honestly, I'm not making this up) - it's hair that grows on me, that's it - should I get to tell them…

I'll engage on this, assuming these questions were asked in good faith.

> should I get to tell them they can't say I'm hairy/bearded (despite that being obviously true)?

You can say, "I'd rather you not refer to me/define me by my beard." Do they have to respect that? Of course not.

Does not respecting that mean that they are now knowingly violating a boundary you've specifically asked them to respect? Yep. Sure does.

Does knowingly/deliberately violating someone's boundaries make you an asshole? Maybe? Probably? At the very least it's likely to make that person like you less.

> Do you think you have a right to dictate others use of pronouns?

I have the right to indicate that my pronouns are they/them, just as you can (presumably) indicate yours are he/him. When people deliberately violate that (e.g., if people started calling you 'the bearded lady' or used she to refer to you) I believe I am well within my right to feel disrespected, just as if they had used any other verbal insult. I see it in a similar light to nicknames. If my name was William, and I tell people to please call me William, and someone continually refers to me as Billy despite being asked not to, then I'm going to feel disrespected.

I get sir/he/him/his/etc all the time. When it's people I'm close to (colleagues, friends, etc.) I'll gently offer a correction and move on. e.g. "Sorry, my pronouns are they/them, please, continue." I don't bother correcting the gas station attendant or the coffee shop barista.

I generally assume most times the wrong pronouns aren't coming from a place of malice -- either someone just forgot or they don't know. I give people a lot of latitude.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Great question. It's more of a workplace concern, as I'm sure that nonbinary folks experience these issues in other workplaces. However, software development is definitely a male dominated environment and there's a lot of discussion in the industry about how we make that environment more inviting to women. So there's a shared experience there of being a gender minority within software, but also the difference that so…

Men and women have different insurance risks. I expect it will take a while for insurance companies to build up risk profiles for new pronouns once those stop changing. They will want to know your biological sex and whether you are in or after transition into one of them. Depending on whatever effects social genders might have they will want to know those as well. And as a third separate item they will want to know y…

They sure do! And trans people have different insurance risks (and presumably nonbinary people do too.) Rates of suicide, for instance, are considerably higher in trans populations.

But, in this case, my insurance company basically said, "Pick either one, and you can change it whenever you want" when I asked how I should pick as a genderfluid person. I asked if I could change it daily, they said, "Sure."

shrug I think you are right, we'll eventually settle out a couple of forms for things like pronouns/gender identity/sex characteristics/etc. But having a member of the minority who is also an engineer can help make sure we build those tools in a way that doesn't leave small integer N% of people feeling left out.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Is anyone surprised seeing Bash/shell scripting being so popular? In my experience, I have seen very few people taking Bash scripting seriously. And it is frowned upon in tech interviews.

Shell scripting just comes with the turf wrt Linux. Even just editing your `.bashrc` can technically be considered scripting. Elsewhere in the survey ~50% of devs claimed to used Linux, so it doesn't seem unreasonable.
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