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Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by tsp »

distances wrote: post #33
tsp wrote: post #28

Berliner here. The ring (called like that by most citizens, here drives the “ringbahn” – circular train) serves most as orientation. People say “I live inside the ring”, or “that party is far outside, outside the ring”. Removing this element alone is a really bad decision. By looking at the original map a couple of times it is very easy to use the ring as visual aid and go from there. It is essential for navigation.…

> Removing this element alone is a really bad decision. By looking at the original map a couple of times it is very easy to use the ring as visual aid and go from there. It is essential for navigation. I'm not sure I understand your point. Ring is very much the central element in this new map, isn't it?

But it’s not geometric any more. Try following the ring in one direction finding a station which you know is somewhere on the ring. It is much easier with the original design.

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by [deleted] »

ahane wrote: post #17

Really sad how almost all the comments in this thread are negative. As somebody who has lived in Berlin since 11 years, whilst having studied the official transit map and the big BVG physical map of berlin for hours: This is a really great improvement over the official one it gives me a relieved kind of pleasure to look at. I can really feel how all those expectations from the physical map finally find a home in the…

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Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by tsp »

ricardobeat wrote: post #38
tsp wrote: post #28

Berliner here. The ring (called like that by most citizens, here drives the “ringbahn” – circular train) serves most as orientation. People say “I live inside the ring”, or “that party is far outside, outside the ring”. Removing this element alone is a really bad decision. By looking at the original map a couple of times it is very easy to use the ring as visual aid and go from there. It is essential for navigation.…

As a foreigner, this new map looks a lot clearer, and I still see a clearly delineated ring in the center. What exactly is the problem with dropping the forced circle shape?

See comment above.

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by notyourday »

ipqk wrote: post #34
m90 wrote: post #2

I certainly don't mind such experiments, but after living in Berlin for quite a while now, I still have to hear anyone complain about that the transit map is hard to read. I personally would even say that it's one of the easier ones I have used regularly (compare to Stuttgart for example, which is pretty cryptic due to the city's geography).

I've spend a lot of time in Berlin, and I find it hard to read. Mostly in that sometimes it's relatively annoying to determine what lines will get me from Station A to Station B. For example, let's say you're a tourist and you arrive at Hauptbahnhof, and you need to get to get to Alexanderplatz - what lines will get you there? There's a whole bunch, and it's very hard to figure that out quickly. Or you might see that…

> I've spend a lot of time in Berlin, and I find it hard to read. Mostly in that sometimes it's relatively annoying to determine what lines will get me from Station A to Station B.

You sound like a person who walked up to me yesterday with a Google maps opened asking me how she would get to her destination in Google maps.

> For example, let's say you're a tourist and you arrive at Hauptbahnhof, and you need to get to get to Alexanderplatz - what lines will get you there?

The smartphone is there not just to listen to podcasts or watch TV

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by texec »

Interesting side note: The designer of the map Pasha Omelekhin seems to work mostly for the Russian agency Art. Lebedev where he was also involved in the official redesign of the new Moscow metro map [1]. They also have detailed process descriptions for most of their projects.

Among others the agency works for big Russian state owned corporations, like Gazprom.

[1] https://www.artlebedev.com/metro/map3/

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by ricardobeat »

tsp wrote: post #41
distances wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Removing this element alone is a really bad decision. By looking at the original map a couple of times it is very easy to use the ring as visual aid and go from there. It is essential for navigation. I'm not sure I understand your point. Ring is very much the central element in this new map, isn't it?

But it’s not geometric any more. Try following the ring in one direction finding a station which you know is somewhere on the ring. It is much easier with the original design.

This is true - it's indeed much harder to do that, but the geometry should not take the blame: the station markers are a lot less proeminent in his version, vs the clear white pills for every station in the original.

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by weinzierl »

texec wrote: post #45

Interesting side note: The designer of the map Pasha Omelekhin seems to work mostly for the Russian agency Art. Lebedev where he was also involved in the official redesign of the new Moscow metro map [1]. They also have detailed process descriptions for most of their projects. Among others the agency works for big Russian state owned corporations, like Gazprom. [1] https://www.artlebedev.com/metro/map3/

If Art. Lebedev doesn't ring a bell: They designed the Optimus Maximus keyboard.

Re: Unofficial new Berlin rapid transit route map

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Post by bassman9000 »

weinzierl wrote: post #48

I love it. If it succeeds in Berlin please make one for Munich too. If, as unlikely as it may be, they won't love it in Berlin, please make one for Munich too.

I gladly remember my few days working in Munich. Most accurate schedule I've ever seen, on bus/tram/U-bahn. Down to 30 seconds.
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