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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by anderspitman »

Dumblydorr wrote: post #91

Can someone explain why rust is so beloved? Also I work in R primarily, I find it funny that love and dread are both near 50%.

For me, it's hard to quantify. Writing Rust feels different from any programming I've ever done in the past 12 years. It reminds me of the first time I dove into functional programming. You pay so much of the development cost up front in both time and frustration. But once it works, the guarantees you're left with provide a level of security and confidence that's unmatched in my experience. Somewhat similar to having a high quality unit test suite and strictly following TDD Kent Beck's way. The process is weird, but I love it.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by ashton314 »

wainstead wrote: post #82
strictnein wrote: post #17

> "almost 70% of respondents say they are above average while less than 10% think they are below average. This is statistically unlikely with a sample of over 70,000 developers who answered this question, to put it mildly." Not at all. It's a self selecting survey, the people who choose to answer are likely more confident in their abilities than those that don't, and, contrary to common understanding, it is perfectly…

> It's a self selecting survey I feel like I have to point this out every year, and it's one of the most important things to keep in mind about this survey. A true survey would randomly select developers from the global developer population at large.

Indeed. I always wonder if programmers smarter than me don't go on SO as much as I do and therefore don't participate in the survey. Maybe more people are using Haskell than reported. :-P

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by [deleted] »

Semaphor wrote: post #119
hnarn wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point. It's not hard to imagine that actually using SO in the first place might correlate to you being an above average developer (among all developers).

While I neither disagree nor agree, I've heard people claim the opposite: That people on SO are generally below average.

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Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by saghm »

astura wrote: post #85
measure2xcut1x wrote: post #67

As a solo indie developer running my own saas business for 20+ years now, and rarely interacting with other devs, this survey is priceless. I often wonder where I and my stack/tools are in relation to the rest of the field. This report (even if it is biased or skewed) makes me feel like I'm not alone and gives me some validation on my life path and technology choices.

I wouldn't put any stake in this survey as any sort of representation of the field in any way whatsoever. The people with SO accounts who even are even aware that SO is conducting a survey is so self-selecting that its in zero way any sort of representation of the industry as a whole. For example, in SO's survey 80% of respondents say they code as a hobby. If this survey was not self selecting I'd bet the farm that i…

Is "coding as a hobby" intended to be mutually exclusive with "coding professionally"? If not, I don't think I'd be that surprised by the 80% number even if it came from a source that everyone agreed was statistically significant.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by fj39dkf »

bad_good_guy wrote: post #109
Dumblydorr wrote: post #91

Can someone explain why rust is so beloved? Also I work in R primarily, I find it funny that love and dread are both near 50%.

Disclaimer: This is personal observation. Fetishization of low-level languages by primarily Javascript developers, plus it has the same socially liberal online community that Javascript has, due to Mozilla. I hope this comment doesn't portray any bias.

Can you elaborate on what you mean by "socially liberal"? Which language communities are on the other side of the spectrum?

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by jaabe »

andy_adams wrote: post #3

Can someone help this old (2^5 years) developer out? I've worked with a number of programming languages over the years, and have never found a combination that brings me such joy and productivity as Ruby and Rails. However, I've always felt that Python and Ruby were very similar in style & goal. Can someone who is experienced in both Rails & Django explain why Python & Django are trending up so quickly, while Ruby &…

I think Python is trending up because it’s a general purpose language that’s easy to learn.

Django basically does what Ruby on Rails does, not exactly but close enough. Flask does what Node.JS does, to the extend that we’re talking about building quick prototypes, not running Netflix. So you have most of your web-based needs covered. Python also does data though, and is to ML and BI what NPM is to web-development, and lastly Python does systems scripting. Basically Python does most things, well enough. By comparison, ifyou’re a .NET house like we have been, you’ll use C#, Microsoft SSIS/SSRS, Powershell and probably Python to do what you could do with all Python.

So I think that’s a big part of it. The other big factor is that Python has replaced JAVA in most of Academia. JAVA was great and all, but being something a very high percentages of CS majors learned surely helped it.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by mook »

vturner wrote: post #74

Curious about the salaries for the top four paying technology languages. Three of the four for US are functional focused languages, and for global all four are functional focused. As someone learning Scala, this is both encouraging and interesting, and I'm curious as to any explanation to the table result. Do functional programming languages increase developer productivity so significantly that a single developer can…

Alternative possibility (that I just made up on the spot): the people who get to choose what language to work in, ignoring the popularity of the language (and therefore how easy they are to replace) are already in very senior positions. More junior people do not get the opportunity to work in functional languages.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by jaabe »

measure2xcut1x wrote: post #67

As a solo indie developer running my own saas business for 20+ years now, and rarely interacting with other devs, this survey is priceless. I often wonder where I and my stack/tools are in relation to the rest of the field. This report (even if it is biased or skewed) makes me feel like I'm not alone and gives me some validation on my life path and technology choices.

I think it’s more interesting that if I load up a job-index site or search for techs on linked in, you get a significantly different picture of what is actually “wanted”.

Maybe that’s from being Scandinavian but 90% of our jobmarket is still .Net framework (not core), JAVA and PHP.

Re: 2019 Stack Overflow Developer Survey Results

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Post by wainstead »

ashton314 wrote: post #142
wainstead wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's a self selecting survey I feel like I have to point this out every year, and it's one of the most important things to keep in mind about this survey. A true survey would randomly select developers from the global developer population at large.

Indeed. I always wonder if programmers smarter than me don't go on SO as much as I do and therefore don't participate in the survey. Maybe more people are using Haskell than reported. :-P

The age is skewed heavily to younger programmers, so your hunch has merit.
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